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		<title>By: Bryan</title>
		<link>http://whynow.dumka.us/2009/04/13/paying-for-college/comment-page-1/#comment-44311</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 02:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was speaking about people who have to borrow to go to school.  They should save their money for the last two years, when you actually are taught by professors, and not teaching assistants, and the real specialization begins.

The problem with state colleges and universities is: will they have the resources to accept the people who want to attend, no matter how the tuition is paid.  The answer in the Florida system is: NO.  Qualified students who have the money lined up through the pre-paid program, or the Lottery-financed scholarship program are having a tough time getting into any state school, much less the specific school they assumed they had already qualified for.  They have to attend a state school to get the money, so they are scrambling.

Things just suck, right now, and it won&#039;t get better in the near future down here.  I wish you luck in Pennsylvania.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was speaking about people who have to borrow to go to school.  They should save their money for the last two years, when you actually are taught by professors, and not teaching assistants, and the real specialization begins.</p>
<p>The problem with state colleges and universities is: will they have the resources to accept the people who want to attend, no matter how the tuition is paid.  The answer in the Florida system is: NO.  Qualified students who have the money lined up through the pre-paid program, or the Lottery-financed scholarship program are having a tough time getting into any state school, much less the specific school they assumed they had already qualified for.  They have to attend a state school to get the money, so they are scrambling.</p>
<p>Things just suck, right now, and it won&#8217;t get better in the near future down here.  I wish you luck in Pennsylvania.</p>
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		<title>By: Moi</title>
		<link>http://whynow.dumka.us/2009/04/13/paying-for-college/comment-page-1/#comment-44309</link>
		<dc:creator>Moi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 01:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have no community colleges anywhere near us, let alone near public transportation (what&#039;s that?  Buggies?!).   

See, though, since my husband taught at a state university, he gets free tuition at that university, and free is cheaper thanpaying a community college.  However, that&#039;s if he can get IN.....

&lt;em&gt;Moi´s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thomaspages.org/bloggg/index.php?/site/college_skills_summer_courses/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;College Skills Summer Courses&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have no community colleges anywhere near us, let alone near public transportation (what&#8217;s that?  Buggies?!).   </p>
<p>See, though, since my husband taught at a state university, he gets free tuition at that university, and free is cheaper thanpaying a community college.  However, that&#8217;s if he can get IN&#8230;..</p>
<p><em>Moi´s last blog post..<a href="http://www.thomaspages.org/bloggg/index.php?/site/college_skills_summer_courses/" rel="nofollow">College Skills Summer Courses</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Bryan</title>
		<link>http://whynow.dumka.us/2009/04/13/paying-for-college/comment-page-1/#comment-44294</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 01:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They had tuition free colleges in California and New York City for a long time, but that doesn&#039;t cover room &amp; board, books, or fees, so &quot;free&quot; is a relative term.

This is about financing, not about admissions.  You still have to cross that hurdle, and it isn&#039;t insignificant.  Usually it means coming up with the cost of the SATs while you are still in high school, which most kids don&#039;t think about.

Your choices are very limited because of the need for institutional recognition of your son&#039;s situation.  I don&#039;t imagine there are all that many schools, public or private, that take it into consideration.

Honestly, if I had to do it again, I would have started at a community college, rather than wasting the big bucks at the expensive private university where I started my studies.  That&#039;s what I did when I got out of the service, and it was a much better plan that I could afford.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They had tuition free colleges in California and New York City for a long time, but that doesn&#8217;t cover room &#038; board, books, or fees, so &#8220;free&#8221; is a relative term.</p>
<p>This is about financing, not about admissions.  You still have to cross that hurdle, and it isn&#8217;t insignificant.  Usually it means coming up with the cost of the SATs while you are still in high school, which most kids don&#8217;t think about.</p>
<p>Your choices are very limited because of the need for institutional recognition of your son&#8217;s situation.  I don&#8217;t imagine there are all that many schools, public or private, that take it into consideration.</p>
<p>Honestly, if I had to do it again, I would have started at a community college, rather than wasting the big bucks at the expensive private university where I started my studies.  That&#8217;s what I did when I got out of the service, and it was a much better plan that I could afford.</p>
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		<title>By: Moi</title>
		<link>http://whynow.dumka.us/2009/04/13/paying-for-college/comment-page-1/#comment-44288</link>
		<dc:creator>Moi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 00:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;If it’s structured properly, anyone who wants to go, can. The loans will be available, and just as important, opportunities for loan forgiveness will be there.&lt;&lt;

If the kids can get In, and then if they could get the full cost of the education as a loan, Yeah, then &quot;anyone who wants to go, can.&quot;  If they can&#039;t get the money, then what?   I know a student right now who got grants and loans for all but $4500 of Temple&#039;s tuition.  She doesn&#039;t have $4500.  So she can&#039;t go.

If my son could get In, then he could maybe go.  But the majority of colleges have no supports.   He needs something for living - which makes sense, because that is where most kids like him fall through the cracks.  Peer pressure, roommates from hell, noise on the hall, lack of education about special needs as far as professors are concerned...just to name a few things....

If it were a government run and &quot;free&quot; entity, then colleges might be forced to comply with IDEA.  Then it would be a whole different ball game.

&lt;em&gt;Moi´s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thomaspages.org/bloggg/index.php?/site/pa_autism_training_conference_may_27-29/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;PA Autism Training Conference May 27-29&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;If it’s structured properly, anyone who wants to go, can. The loans will be available, and just as important, opportunities for loan forgiveness will be there.&lt;&lt;</p>
<p>If the kids can get In, and then if they could get the full cost of the education as a loan, Yeah, then &#8220;anyone who wants to go, can.&#8221;  If they can&#8217;t get the money, then what?   I know a student right now who got grants and loans for all but $4500 of Temple&#8217;s tuition.  She doesn&#8217;t have $4500.  So she can&#8217;t go.</p>
<p>If my son could get In, then he could maybe go.  But the majority of colleges have no supports.   He needs something for living &#8211; which makes sense, because that is where most kids like him fall through the cracks.  Peer pressure, roommates from hell, noise on the hall, lack of education about special needs as far as professors are concerned&#8230;just to name a few things&#8230;.</p>
<p>If it were a government run and &#8220;free&#8221; entity, then colleges might be forced to comply with IDEA.  Then it would be a whole different ball game.</p>
<p><em>Moi´s last blog post..<a href="http://www.thomaspages.org/bloggg/index.php?/site/pa_autism_training_conference_may_27-29/" rel="nofollow">PA Autism Training Conference May 27-29</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Bryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 04:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it&#039;s structured properly, anyone who wants to go, can.  The loans will be available, and just as important, opportunities for loan forgiveness will be there.

There needs to be incentives like the GI Bill where if graduates teach in underserved areas, or work in other, similar jobs, the loans are forgiven.

There is a program for medical school that already does that - work in specified rural or underserved areas and med schools loans are forgiven.

The Peace Corp offered grad school scholarships for years, and probably still do.

I taught in college, and I saw too many students who were only there because their parents were footing the bills and it was better than going to work.  They used up resources that should have gone to kids from the inner city who really wanted an education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it&#8217;s structured properly, anyone who wants to go, can.  The loans will be available, and just as important, opportunities for loan forgiveness will be there.</p>
<p>There needs to be incentives like the GI Bill where if graduates teach in underserved areas, or work in other, similar jobs, the loans are forgiven.</p>
<p>There is a program for medical school that already does that &#8211; work in specified rural or underserved areas and med schools loans are forgiven.</p>
<p>The Peace Corp offered grad school scholarships for years, and probably still do.</p>
<p>I taught in college, and I saw too many students who were only there because their parents were footing the bills and it was better than going to work.  They used up resources that should have gone to kids from the inner city who really wanted an education.</p>
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		<title>By: hipparchia</title>
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		<dc:creator>hipparchia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 03:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>meh. 

some people won&#039;t go to college, even if it&#039;s free, just because that&#039;s not their thing. 

some people who would not otherwise have gone to college will go because it&#039;s free and just be freeloaders. 

some people who would not otherwise have gone to college will find out after they get there that there&#039;s something worthwhile after all. 

but there are people who would dearly love to go to college, people who do have talent and desire, but will never have the money. i&#039;m willing to support a few freeloaders to help out those others, mostly because i&#039;m willing to bet that free college is like free healthcare is like free pizza.

&lt;em&gt;hipparchia´s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://hipparchia-moonlighting.blogspot.com/2009/04/ill-take-door-3.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I&#039;ll take door #3&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>meh. </p>
<p>some people won&#8217;t go to college, even if it&#8217;s free, just because that&#8217;s not their thing. </p>
<p>some people who would not otherwise have gone to college will go because it&#8217;s free and just be freeloaders. </p>
<p>some people who would not otherwise have gone to college will find out after they get there that there&#8217;s something worthwhile after all. </p>
<p>but there are people who would dearly love to go to college, people who do have talent and desire, but will never have the money. i&#8217;m willing to support a few freeloaders to help out those others, mostly because i&#8217;m willing to bet that free college is like free healthcare is like free pizza.</p>
<p><em>hipparchia´s last blog post..<a href="http://hipparchia-moonlighting.blogspot.com/2009/04/ill-take-door-3.html" rel="nofollow">I&#8217;ll take door #3</a></em></p>
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		<title>By: Bryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 05:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you eliminate the waste of involving banks, and reward students for studying and getting the grades by reducing their loans, you will get better results that simply extending high school.

You and I suffered through the old system, I&#039;m talking about a different approach that rewards effort, not the bank approach of &quot;it&#039;s a loan, pay it off or we&#039;ll repossess your brain&quot;.

Too many people will just attend college because it is something to do if it&#039;s free.  Make them put a little skin in the game.  Give them the option of working it off in the Peace Corp or other government service programs as is done with med school loans.

It is a lot easier to get passed that way, than straight tax payer funding, and, only people who really want to go to college will apply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you eliminate the waste of involving banks, and reward students for studying and getting the grades by reducing their loans, you will get better results that simply extending high school.</p>
<p>You and I suffered through the old system, I&#8217;m talking about a different approach that rewards effort, not the bank approach of &#8220;it&#8217;s a loan, pay it off or we&#8217;ll repossess your brain&#8221;.</p>
<p>Too many people will just attend college because it is something to do if it&#8217;s free.  Make them put a little skin in the game.  Give them the option of working it off in the Peace Corp or other government service programs as is done with med school loans.</p>
<p>It is a lot easier to get passed that way, than straight tax payer funding, and, only people who really want to go to college will apply.</p>
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		<title>By: hipparchia</title>
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		<dc:creator>hipparchia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 05:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The students need to have a stake in their own success.&lt;/i&gt;

:roll:

i&#039;m with sean-paul, free education. taxes baby! we could start with fixing our little corporate income tax problem.

i paid for much of my college, tuition, books, living expenses, the whole nine yards, but even with the scholarships, the loans, and working i still skipped meals and went without heat or a/c to make ends meet. my grades would have been better and i would have learned more if i hadn&#039;t been so stressed out and if the time spent working had been spent studying [or sleeping] instead.

&lt;em&gt;hipparchia´s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://hipparchia-moonlighting.blogspot.com/2009/04/ill-take-door-3.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I&#039;ll take door #3&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The students need to have a stake in their own success.</i></p>
<p> <img src='http://whynow.dumka.us/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif' alt=':roll:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>i&#8217;m with sean-paul, free education. taxes baby! we could start with fixing our little corporate income tax problem.</p>
<p>i paid for much of my college, tuition, books, living expenses, the whole nine yards, but even with the scholarships, the loans, and working i still skipped meals and went without heat or a/c to make ends meet. my grades would have been better and i would have learned more if i hadn&#8217;t been so stressed out and if the time spent working had been spent studying [or sleeping] instead.</p>
<p><em>hipparchia´s last blog post..<a href="http://hipparchia-moonlighting.blogspot.com/2009/04/ill-take-door-3.html" rel="nofollow">I&#8217;ll take door #3</a></em></p>
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