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Comments on: The Military and The CIA https://whynow.dumka.us/2006/05/10/the-military-and-the-cia/ On-line Opinion Magazine...OK, it's a blog Thu, 11 May 2006 06:28:47 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.3 By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2006/05/10/the-military-and-the-cia/comment-page-1/#comment-5739 Thu, 11 May 2006 06:28:47 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2006/05/10/the-military-and-the-cia/#comment-5739 CG, you don’t order intelligence people around and you don’t tell them how to think. To be any good, intelligence people have to present unvarnished reality and the truth as they believe it to be.

In many ways it is much easier to gather intelligence on military affairs, because there is a lot of structure that will mold responses, and known limits on action. It is easy to use technology to watch the military, because the military is the primary user of technology in most countries.

The CIA is responsible for “all other,” and you have to improvise to deal with multiple possibilities. The CIA people need much more autonomy to do their job.

Looking at Hayden’s career, he hit a long plateau and then went up through the ranks at a rather amazing rate, which normally indicates a “horse”, someone pulling for them.

I have to suspect that his willingness to go along with the Shrubbery on the wiretaps represents a major reason for his advancement. He appears to be “political”, and that does not bode well for anything he commands.

Having someone among the top three who is military makes coordination with the DoD much easier for joint missions, but the man at the top needs to reflect the majority of the people in the organization. There will be tensions.

Hayden doesn’t have CIA-type experience because that’s not how the military functions.

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By: The CultureGhost https://whynow.dumka.us/2006/05/10/the-military-and-the-cia/comment-page-1/#comment-5731 Thu, 11 May 2006 05:37:42 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2006/05/10/the-military-and-the-cia/#comment-5731 As always, Bryan, an outstanding capsule of an aspect not covered well or at all by The Media Populi. Made me question some of my initial reactions to the nomination.

Being chief spymaster is a gruelling and unsavory posting. Didn’t LeCarre’s George Smiley refer to it as the “second oldest profession”? Is Hayden the most qualified candidate for the position? From where I sit, his credentials seem quite impressive for the task at hand. Does he have a political bias to his current bosses? How does a career military officer impart morale to a civilian agency? And how do you make spies feel good about themselves?

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2006/05/10/the-military-and-the-cia/comment-page-1/#comment-5710 Wed, 10 May 2006 19:14:15 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2006/05/10/the-military-and-the-cia/#comment-5710 You should have seen the mess when I was trying to volunteer for the Peace Corps in Russia. The Russians finally made it clear I wasn’t ever going to get a visa, but the US government wasn’t much better. Once a spook, always a spook as far as the security people are concerned.

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By: andante https://whynow.dumka.us/2006/05/10/the-military-and-the-cia/comment-page-1/#comment-5708 Wed, 10 May 2006 18:52:01 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2006/05/10/the-military-and-the-cia/#comment-5708 Somewhat OT but related…

A friend’s father was OSS in WWII – parachuted behind German lines, etc. He remained for the transformation to CIA for a few years, then changed professions (probably around 1948 or thereabouts). He was out of the spook business for well over 50 years when he died, but the CIA still came calling to search his personal papers.

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2006/05/10/the-military-and-the-cia/comment-page-1/#comment-5698 Wed, 10 May 2006 15:14:05 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2006/05/10/the-military-and-the-cia/#comment-5698 There’s a definite distinction between being a veteran with military service and being retired from the military. Being retired means that the military was your profession, rather than a job you had outside of your main field of competence.

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By: Michael https://whynow.dumka.us/2006/05/10/the-military-and-the-cia/comment-page-1/#comment-5693 Wed, 10 May 2006 14:52:31 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2006/05/10/the-military-and-the-cia/#comment-5693 Shouldn’t that be three retired officers? George H. W. Bush was a Navy pilot, after all. Or is there a substantive distinction between retiring after 20+ years and being mustered out at war’s end?

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