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Comments on: Genealogy https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/02/26/genealogy/ On-line Opinion Magazine...OK, it's a blog Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:34:45 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.3 By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/02/26/genealogy/comment-page-1/#comment-21214 Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:34:45 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2007/02/26/genealogy/#comment-21214 It also applies to the problem of remains of Judah, claimed to be a son of Joshua – that isn’t confirmed by mDNA.

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By: jamsodonnell https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/02/26/genealogy/comment-page-1/#comment-21141 Wed, 28 Feb 2007 08:24:51 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2007/02/26/genealogy/#comment-21141 There is a problem with DNA evidence here… Mitochondrial DNA establishes the female relkationship as t originates from the ovum. Establishing the male line requires DNA from the Y chromosome… Even if available where are you going to get a sample of God’s DNA to establish a relationship!

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/02/26/genealogy/comment-page-1/#comment-21030 Tue, 27 Feb 2007 21:56:23 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2007/02/26/genealogy/#comment-21030 A point for non-techies – the only DNA available is mitochondrial, which only provides information about an individual’s mother. As a result saying exactly what the relationship is among these people isn’t possible. Just because people have different mothers doesn’t mean they are unrelated, especially in an area where polygamy was common, and death in childbirth was rampant.

This test wouldn’t show the relationship of Edward VI, Mary I, and Elizabeth I – until recently paternity was a pretty iffy question.

There isn’t enough information to draw conclusions. More data is needed, but there doesn’t appear to be much available.

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By: jamsodonnell https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/02/26/genealogy/comment-page-1/#comment-21029 Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:49:44 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2007/02/26/genealogy/#comment-21029 Hmm I daresay a fair few credulous sorts will believe this Bryan. As for relics, there are sevreal “Veronicas” and there were more than one holy “prepuces” in catholic churches across europe!

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By: Karen https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/02/26/genealogy/comment-page-1/#comment-21024 Tue, 27 Feb 2007 15:23:09 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2007/02/26/genealogy/#comment-21024 Bruce Feiller has a good up at HuffPo this too. (IIRC).

But seems they make $$$ just by stirring up the controversy…so hard to stop them from having any inclination to refrain. 🙂

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/02/26/genealogy/comment-page-1/#comment-20950 Tue, 27 Feb 2007 03:48:26 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2007/02/26/genealogy/#comment-20950 Umm, check his post, his comments don’t add much to the discussion because people miss the point of the post and go off on their own trip.

One of the annoying things about Middle Eastern archæology is that it is controlled by the local governments which put a higher value on politics than scholarship. Many of the “scholars” are dependent on funding from groups that have agendas that don’t permitted knowledge for its own sake.

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By: Karen https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/02/26/genealogy/comment-page-1/#comment-20927 Tue, 27 Feb 2007 01:30:33 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2007/02/26/genealogy/#comment-20927 That *Titanic Faker* James Cameron is “most interested” in this story – If THAT tells ya anything about the validity of this claim!

And I’ll have to check out PZ’s take on the evidence here. 🙂

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/02/26/genealogy/comment-page-1/#comment-20919 Tue, 27 Feb 2007 00:57:26 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2007/02/26/genealogy/#comment-20919 Send then over to PZ. There are rules for scientific proof, and this doesn’t make it. There isn’t enough there to draw any conclusions, and I haven’t seen any carbon dating to confirm the time frame.

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By: Michael https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/02/26/genealogy/comment-page-1/#comment-20907 Tue, 27 Feb 2007 00:07:22 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2007/02/26/genealogy/#comment-20907 They’re probably too late. MSNBC and CNN both featured the story prominently on their morning and noontime programming, and the Discovery Channel (according to CNN) is going to air a special this Sunday on the findings. Once the djinn is out of the bottle, the fundagelicals won’t have a prayer of getting it back inside.

One other group going gaga over these not-very-new and not-very-trustworthy findings, however, are the militant atheists. Several of them were crowing all over this morning’s diary thread on the MSNBC coverage at Big Orange this morning. Given that they still seem to think that an assertion is the same thing as proof, however, it’s been fun toying with them.

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/02/26/genealogy/comment-page-1/#comment-20902 Mon, 26 Feb 2007 23:26:26 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2007/02/26/genealogy/#comment-20902 If they can’t come up with enough to convince non-believers, why would anyone think it would shake believers?

If you have traveled in Europe and around the Med you would know you can find “relics” everywhere: Turin has the “Shroud”, Trier has the “Robe”, there are bones an bits from various saints at every city, village, and town, and some of them are known to be frauds, but they have been frauds for so long they are still revered.

Facts have nothing to do with belief, in truth once a belief is proven, it is no longer a belief.

The movie will do well if the wingers attack it, look at the Da Vinci Code.

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