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Comments on: Unclear On The Concept https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/03/10/unclear-on-the-concept/ On-line Opinion Magazine...OK, it's a blog Wed, 14 Mar 2007 01:58:27 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.3 By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/03/10/unclear-on-the-concept/comment-page-1/#comment-22547 Wed, 14 Mar 2007 01:58:27 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2007/03/10/unclear-on-the-concept/#comment-22547 Unfortunately, she already has at least one child, so the terminally stupid gene has been inherited. Having the same arresting officer is not a family tradition anyone should strive for.

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By: ellroon https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/03/10/unclear-on-the-concept/comment-page-1/#comment-22546 Wed, 14 Mar 2007 01:36:23 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2007/03/10/unclear-on-the-concept/#comment-22546 You mean like this woman, Bryan?
http://www.cbc.ca/cp/Oddities/070313/K031302AU.html

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/03/10/unclear-on-the-concept/comment-page-1/#comment-22451 Sun, 11 Mar 2007 04:05:57 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2007/03/10/unclear-on-the-concept/#comment-22451 That could be it, Moi.

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/03/10/unclear-on-the-concept/comment-page-1/#comment-22450 Sun, 11 Mar 2007 04:05:08 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2007/03/10/unclear-on-the-concept/#comment-22450 Badtux, I’m not going to champion victimless crimes, I didn’t have the budget or manpower to deal with the crimes with victims, and really resented having my budget raided around election-time for drug or prostitution sweeps, especially when they were “task force” operations, which meant the money went to other jurisdictions. I had a chief who was entirely too political, which guaranteed his job, but made mine hell.

The Rockefeller drugs laws were a disaster. They didn’t have any noticeable effect on the pattern of drug use, but they filled up the jails and prisons with a lot of users who eventually caused the early release of some very bad people when prisons became overcrowded. The users came back to society with graduate degrees in burglary and robbery. Stupid, Stupid, Stupid – but you can’t explain that to politicians who want to get “tough on crime” as long as it doesn’t involve increasing taxes.

Drug cases against users are easy to prove: individual+drug=conviction. The prosecutors used them to pad their resumés, especially when reaching the level of a felony was so easy. Felony convictions mean promotions and a shot at higher office. In a more urban setting almost all of the felony convictions in my jurisdiction would have been plead out as misdemeanors with fines and probation, not prison time.

Welcome to the New York Criminal Justice System – except there’s no justice, and only a fool would call it a system.

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By: Moi ;) https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/03/10/unclear-on-the-concept/comment-page-1/#comment-22442 Sun, 11 Mar 2007 03:52:20 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2007/03/10/unclear-on-the-concept/#comment-22442 They’re all partaking of their stash before they call. That’s what’s wrong with ’em. ;D

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/03/10/unclear-on-the-concept/comment-page-1/#comment-22440 Sun, 11 Mar 2007 01:26:02 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2007/03/10/unclear-on-the-concept/#comment-22440 It would seem to be tied to a concept of privilege, that their class exempts them from the laws that apply to everyone else. The drug laws in New York are definitely harsh, with a very low threshold.

In ten years I had to twice lock people in a holding cell and order everyone away from them until their lawyer arrived because I really didn’t want them, I wanted the people they knew, but if they kept talking I wouldn’t have an opportunity to deal. It was a facet of the local legal system where I worked, but the prosecutors had a tendency not to make deals if they thought they would get an instant court win. From my stand point, I wanted the dealers, not users. I didn’t have the money or manpower to go to trial with users, who were generally incredibly stupid to get caught.

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By: BadTux https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/03/10/unclear-on-the-concept/comment-page-1/#comment-22439 Sun, 11 Mar 2007 01:17:27 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2007/03/10/unclear-on-the-concept/#comment-22439 Well there is also the problem that, as far as the consensual buying and selling of desirable goods go, people don’t at a gut level consider it to be something illegal except when they don’t get what they paid for or what they have gets stolen. If someone kills someone else, yeah, that hits at the gut level, “some illegal shit just happened.” If someone has a harmless weed stolen off the patio deck, on the other hand, despite all the propaganda to the contrary coming from our respective governments it’s hard to see any crime other than the theft.

In short, it’s human nature at work, but not necessarily stupidity other than in that we’ve crimininalized consensual commercial transactions and that’s stupid. If someone just operates automatically according to ethical considerations rather than considering law, the notion of getting arrested because someone stole a weed off your deck just doesn’t pop to the top of one’s head. BTW, same applies to prostitution and other such “victimless crimes”, where you have two parties who make a commercial transaction, both go away from the commercial transaction satisfied, the only “crime” is in the head of some third party who ought to just mind their own f’ing business…

– Badtux the Libertarian Penguin

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By: Michael https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/03/10/unclear-on-the-concept/comment-page-1/#comment-22437 Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:49:14 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2007/03/10/unclear-on-the-concept/#comment-22437 What is wrong with people?

We’ve stopped teaching them how to think clearly, for one. And probably also has something to do with the ingrained notion–fostered, I might add, by the police and other authorities–that when someone steals something from you or otherwise causes you harm, you call the cops.

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