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Comments on: Pandering https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/07/24/pandering/ On-line Opinion Magazine...OK, it's a blog Thu, 26 Jul 2007 02:10:23 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.3 By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/07/24/pandering/comment-page-1/#comment-27965 Thu, 26 Jul 2007 02:10:23 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2007/07/24/pandering/#comment-27965 I was “protected” by the military chaplains, who in the past weren’t allowed to get too carried away, and held very neutral, mainstream services.

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By: hipparchia https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/07/24/pandering/comment-page-1/#comment-27962 Thu, 26 Jul 2007 00:11:30 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2007/07/24/pandering/#comment-27962 we were raised as mainstream protestants too, though the south being what it is, even the most liberal and rational of congregation harbors its share of fundamentalists. to keep us safe from those who would “save” us, my parents kept us out of sunday school and in the summer they sent us off to the jewish community center.

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/07/24/pandering/comment-page-1/#comment-27961 Wed, 25 Jul 2007 19:08:41 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2007/07/24/pandering/#comment-27961 It must be the failure of my Sunday school teachers, because I associated Christianity with charity, stewardship, friendship, and peace.

The really divisive issues all tend to be personal decisions, and I’m still waiting for a cogent explanation as to why the government is involved in them.

Marriage is a two part concept. One part deals with the religious beliefs of the parties involved, but the second part is a government defined partnership contract. There is no way of reconciling the parts, so there is no point in trying. The government is Constitutionally prohibited from applying religious conditions. If you haul in religion, you won’t be able to ban polygamy.

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By: Jack K. https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/07/24/pandering/comment-page-1/#comment-27959 Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:53:41 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2007/07/24/pandering/#comment-27959 …the whole situation becomes so bizarre at times. Lots of folks – like me – vote for Democrats because they generally espouse values that reflect their Christian beliefs: caring for the poor; caring for children; caring for the sick and disabled any any others not able to adequately look after themselves; seeking peace rather than war for the sake of legacy or power or revenge. This all gets lost because of the outsized noise of the battles over social issues like a woman’s right to control her body (and its surrogate stepchild embryonic stem cell research) or the legal rights of gay and lesbian couples being waged under the overblown pretext of “religious values”. If Democrats want to reach out to “religious” voters they should address the larger issues and not try to finesse those hot-button items. That’s just going to annoy everybody…

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By: Steve Bates https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/07/24/pandering/comment-page-1/#comment-27957 Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:35:16 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2007/07/24/pandering/#comment-27957 For a measure of the absurdity of assuming that any substantial number of people vote based primarily on their religion, please note that four Unitarians (John Adams, John Quincy Adams, Millard Fillmore and William Howard Taft) became President despite the fact that, in the Pew survey, Unitarians are apparently in the “other” category. Do you think the four were elected by the overwhelming Unitarian voting bloc? 🙂 I’ll wait while y’all finish laughing…

I’ve noted before on these threads the very few circumstances under which a candidate’s religion would influence my vote… negative conditions, in which a candidate appears to defy American tradition on religious grounds… and on the whole, I disapprove of voting FOR someone because of the specific religion they adhere to. Of course people can vote on any damned basis they want, but Democrats should not seek faith-based votes.

Bryan, the UUs I know share that tradition you describe of not “witnessing”; I don’t personally know of even one UU who has ever actively tried to convert someone. It just isn’t done. And while most UUs tend to be politically liberal today, there has been a strong component of old-style New England Republicans in there as well (though many of those older UUs are dying off)… and there is an almost unanimous consensus that mixing religion and politics is a bad idea.

I don’t care where people get their call to right action, as long as they hear that call. If Democrats insist on making peoples’ faiths an issue at all, some of us may have some serious thinking to do.

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/07/24/pandering/comment-page-1/#comment-27954 Wed, 25 Jul 2007 04:18:48 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2007/07/24/pandering/#comment-27954 They should come down to the “Redneck Riviera” for a while and see how they like putting up with this crap.

The mainstream Protestant tradition in which I was raised considers “witnessing” prideful and hypocritical.

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By: hipparchia https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/07/24/pandering/comment-page-1/#comment-27953 Wed, 25 Jul 2007 04:02:21 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2007/07/24/pandering/#comment-27953 i swear the “debate” last night looked like a revival tent for a while there.

i want a party and candidates that will pander to my separation-of-church-and-state beliefs.

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