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Comments on: The GOP Says No To Rest https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/09/19/the-gop-says-no-to-rest/ On-line Opinion Magazine...OK, it's a blog Thu, 20 Sep 2007 14:29:56 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.3 By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/09/19/the-gop-says-no-to-rest/comment-page-1/#comment-29652 Thu, 20 Sep 2007 14:29:56 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2007/09/19/the-gop-says-no-to-rest/#comment-29652 The problem is that the media is treating this like a game, and forgetting what these bills are about. It would be nice if there was some straight reporting.

Forcing a real filibuster would get back to the issues in these bills. Nothing is going to move while these games are being played, so move nothing, and let people see the bills going nowhere because Republicans want to filibuster.

]]> By: whig https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/09/19/the-gop-says-no-to-rest/comment-page-1/#comment-29647 Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:56:32 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2007/09/19/the-gop-says-no-to-rest/#comment-29647 It’s a football game. The Democrats have the ball but to score a first down they have to get 60 votes. The Republicans are the home team.

]]> By: Michael https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/09/19/the-gop-says-no-to-rest/comment-page-1/#comment-29646 Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:51:11 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2007/09/19/the-gop-says-no-to-rest/#comment-29646 That, or else they need to go back to Mr. Smith Goes to Washington and make a filibuster a real filibuster. If the Republicans are so bloody interested in debating the merits of this bill (instead of just playing obstructionist-as-usual), then let them be the ones to talk and talk and talk and talk about it until the cows come home or they run out of Depends and collapse from exhaustion. Meanwhile, none of their legislation goes anywhere, the Boy Who Would be King gets no action on his new AG-wannabe, and we tie the Iraqi albatross even more firmly about their necks.

]]> By: Steve Bates https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/09/19/the-gop-says-no-to-rest/comment-page-1/#comment-29634 Thu, 20 Sep 2007 07:10:03 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2007/09/19/the-gop-says-no-to-rest/#comment-29634 “The 56-44 vote — four short of reaching the 60 needed to advance…” – CBS News

I cannot help resenting CBS’s obfuscatory framing of the fact that Senate Republicans are filibustering every bill that comes before them. This was a cloture vote, dammit, not the vote on the respite for the troops. I presume everyone reading this thread knows what a filibuster is, and what a cloture vote is. These filibusters are certainly hypocritical coming from the very same people who howled in outrage when Dems filibustered during the GOP majority. Put it this way: 60 is the new 50-plus-1. Or just call it “minority rule.”

Be that as it may, it could be coming to the point that even members of the public who do not understand basic Senate rules nonetheless understand that Dems support the troops for real… support giving them realistic breaks between tours… and GOPers don’t.

As you said, Bryan… they need to tack it onto the damned appropriations bill, leave it in during reconciliation, and stop screwing around. Maybe Harry and Nancy can handle that approach.

]]> By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/09/19/the-gop-says-no-to-rest/comment-page-1/#comment-29629 Thu, 20 Sep 2007 05:26:34 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2007/09/19/the-gop-says-no-to-rest/#comment-29629 Looks like it. Johnson of South Dakota still isn’t back, and some of the Repubs are not voting which is the same as a Nay, with less of a political penalty.

]]> By: whig https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/09/19/the-gop-says-no-to-rest/comment-page-1/#comment-29628 Thu, 20 Sep 2007 05:24:53 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2007/09/19/the-gop-says-no-to-rest/#comment-29628 And of those, who among them voted to take away our habeas in the first place? (though this should probably be on the other thread)

]]> By: whig https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/09/19/the-gop-says-no-to-rest/comment-page-1/#comment-29627 Thu, 20 Sep 2007 05:23:14 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2007/09/19/the-gop-says-no-to-rest/#comment-29627 Do we have all the Democrats on both of these issues?

]]> By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/09/19/the-gop-says-no-to-rest/comment-page-1/#comment-29623 Thu, 20 Sep 2007 05:04:47 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2007/09/19/the-gop-says-no-to-rest/#comment-29623 Pretty much the same group. The amazing thing is that Reid has been able to get the Democrats named Nelson [Nebraska and Florida] to vote with the party. He is imposing some control for a change.

]]> By: whig https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/09/19/the-gop-says-no-to-rest/comment-page-1/#comment-29618 Thu, 20 Sep 2007 04:03:10 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2007/09/19/the-gop-says-no-to-rest/#comment-29618 How’s that list compare to the folks that voted to deny cloture on habeas restoration?

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