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Comments on: AgitProp https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/09/27/agitprop-4/ On-line Opinion Magazine...OK, it's a blog Sun, 30 Sep 2007 06:06:31 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.3 By: hipparchia https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/09/27/agitprop-4/comment-page-1/#comment-29965 Sun, 30 Sep 2007 06:06:31 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2007/09/27/agitprop-4/#comment-29965 taking car bombs to a whole new level. great, now we’ll have a national no-drive list.

y’know, the only vehicles i’ve ever actually seen fly off of those ramps have been tanker trucks. that should make a nice little conflagration.

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/09/27/agitprop-4/comment-page-1/#comment-29963 Sun, 30 Sep 2007 05:02:52 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2007/09/27/agitprop-4/#comment-29963 I’ve always loved how they tend to build Interstate overpasses around chemical plants. I don’t think anyone can work fast enough to prevent the effect of a car flying off an I-95 off ramp and crashing into a working plant.

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By: hipparchia https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/09/27/agitprop-4/comment-page-1/#comment-29961 Sun, 30 Sep 2007 04:19:11 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2007/09/27/agitprop-4/#comment-29961 i do like things that go boom!, but that particular scenario is not a happy place to be.

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/09/27/agitprop-4/comment-page-1/#comment-29941 Sat, 29 Sep 2007 14:28:25 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2007/09/27/agitprop-4/#comment-29941 That’s a happy thought for a morning, Hipparchia – trigger happy people in a chemical plant.

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By: hipparchia https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/09/27/agitprop-4/comment-page-1/#comment-29932 Sat, 29 Sep 2007 06:11:23 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2007/09/27/agitprop-4/#comment-29932 Most of the utility stuff I’ve seen deals with monitoring more than control

shhhh. they don’t want us to know that. oh, and no need to worry about physical plant security. once we pull out of iraq, some [cough cough] security companies will be looking for work.

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/09/27/agitprop-4/comment-page-1/#comment-29918 Sat, 29 Sep 2007 00:31:38 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2007/09/27/agitprop-4/#comment-29918 Air traffic control is the most vulnerable system there is and they still don’t have adequate protection on that, even though it has been hacked, albeit by accident. The broken cable in a wireless world is absurd for a major government facility that already uses radio communications. The mind boggles.

Most of the utility stuff I’ve seen deals with monitoring more than control, Hipparchia, and major machines are still made with the analog safety switches when shipped.

They never scare business. They never push business. They certainly aren’t going to suggest that business spend any money just to keep the nation safer, unless the tax credits are twice the cost of the changes.

Before we worry about ‘Net security, they should do something about physical security at chemical and nuclear sites.

When I was living in SoCal a guy fell off his boat, or something, and swam ashore at the San Onofre nuclear power plant. He couldn’t find anyone for hours to help him.

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By: hipparchia https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/09/27/agitprop-4/comment-page-1/#comment-29910 Fri, 28 Sep 2007 05:17:54 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2007/09/27/agitprop-4/#comment-29910 scattered thoughts…

scada systems are vulnerable, largely because they came along before anybody worried about internet security [companies do spend more on security than coffee] but it looks like a fairly simple fix [firewallz? whuzzat?] the problem is in the huge number of systems that need fixing.

they’ve already been working on it for awhile, like you say, why now? what’s about to come up that they need to scare us about? i suppose it’s possible that utilites are dragging their feet a bit, and the government is trying to scare them into moving faster on this.

utilities do have all kinds of backups and redundancies, and one turbine blowing up isn’t likely to start a whole cascade of turbines and such blowing up, but when de-regulation happened a lot of them started cutting corners here and there, so maybe they’re a bit weaker than we think they are.

the ones i worry about are the nuclear plants and the chemical plants and refineries, things that would make a big boom if something got out of contol.

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By: Cookie Jill https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/09/27/agitprop-4/comment-page-1/#comment-29909 Fri, 28 Sep 2007 03:43:47 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2007/09/27/agitprop-4/#comment-29909 oh, and not to mention AT&T cutting the wires the other day in Tennessee which had air traffic controllers in the Memphis area using their cellphones to other centers to guide the planes in.

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By: Cookie Jill https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/09/27/agitprop-4/comment-page-1/#comment-29908 Fri, 28 Sep 2007 03:41:45 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2007/09/27/agitprop-4/#comment-29908 Who needs a hacker to down the power grid?

We had a major wildfire nearly knock us back to Ludditeville.

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/09/27/agitprop-4/comment-page-1/#comment-29905 Fri, 28 Sep 2007 02:35:29 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2007/09/27/agitprop-4/#comment-29905 All of the infrastructure improvements that come are paid for by developers for St. Joe Paper and their work to the East of us. Sprint/Embarq bought the old Central Telephone system and there isn’t even a local office in the county. The two western-most counties have Bell South/ATT, but they are rural outside of the city of Pensacola.

We are between a cluster in Mobile and the St. Joe cluster to the East. That’s why the military pulled all of the fiber in for communications, the existing system can’t handle what’s needed.

The fiber trunk is laid in the I-10 right-of-way with branches for various military facilities coming down from the North.

The main electrical trunk follows US-98 along the coast line, so it gets blown down.

The bases have feeds both from the US-98 lines and other lines from Alabama.

This is a messed up area of the US as far as utilities because we are built out. The military reservation surrounds the civilian area, and there is no more growth possible, so the utilities don’t upgrade.

The use of microwave is restricted by the military and their test ranges which extend out into the Gulf. Broadcast television signals are regularly interrupted by aircraft flying through the signal making cable or satellite a requirement.

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