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Comments on: They Knew Going In https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/10/28/they-knew-going-in/ On-line Opinion Magazine...OK, it's a blog Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:56:29 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.3 By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/10/28/they-knew-going-in/comment-page-1/#comment-30783 Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:56:29 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2007/10/28/they-knew-going-in/#comment-30783 Thanks for the report on the actual program, Jams. Frankly, I was surprised to find out there was no planning, as that has been such a strong complaint about all military operations from Vietnam forward – lack of planning has been the first complaint of critics.

My thought is that the UK MoD assumed that the US would have a plan and were floored when it wasn’t forthcoming, or were lulled by the early reports that the State Department had the post-invasion planning responsibility.

In the post 9/11 atmosphere almost no one would listen to warnings. The masses were whipped into a frenzy by the media. Car flags blown off vehicles replaced drink containers as the number one type of road side litter. It was jingoism at its worst.

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By: jams o donnell https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/10/28/they-knew-going-in/comment-page-1/#comment-30779 Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:06:52 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2007/10/28/they-knew-going-in/#comment-30779 I watched part one last night. I’ll be watching part 2 tonight. It was always clear that the invasion was an il conceived idea born out of myopia and arrogance but my God, I didn’t realise how shoddy the planning was. Why the hell did the UK get involved with this fiasco, I’ll never understand.

If it gets shown in the US it is well worth a wach. I darseay what it says will be less of a surprise than it is to us here.

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/10/28/they-knew-going-in/comment-page-1/#comment-30775 Mon, 29 Oct 2007 05:12:08 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2007/10/28/they-knew-going-in/#comment-30775 Boylan has been in Baghdad longer than Petraeus and has been given instructions on how he is to do his job by Cheney’s communications director. He is following orders because he doesn’t know how not to obey.

He views his job as crafting a message for the effort, not providing information. I wouldn’t even claim that Petraeus knows what Boylan is doing.

Since this is being done by e-mail, there is no guarantee that Boylan himself knows what is in the e-mails. He may have an assistant or two actually writing them, a practice that is not uncommon in the military. These e-mails may be coming from a response shop set up to read and counter anything said on the blogs about Iraq.

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By: Steve Bates https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/10/28/they-knew-going-in/comment-page-1/#comment-30769 Mon, 29 Oct 2007 04:15:54 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2007/10/28/they-knew-going-in/#comment-30769 Bryan, it appears… I emphasize, appears… to be more than that this time. Boylan seems to be writing Greenwald hostile emails (“hostile” is the appropriate word, personally hostile, not merely obstructionist) in response to Greenwald’s straightforward inquiries about the possibility of military leaks to right-wing outlets (blogs, pundits, etc.), then denying he wrote the emails Greenwald received… all the while spouting deliberately insulting things to and about Greenwald, things it seems to me no serving military officer should be saying to any interested member of the public, journalist or otherwise.

That’s more than the doings of a hack spewing agitprop… it seems to me to be the actions of an agent of the Republican Party’s political establishment. I do hope you have read (or will read) Greenwald’s frequently updated post. As an ordinary member of the public, I’d find it exTREMEly disturbing if in fact a prominent member of the serving military is using his position to engage in partisan domestic politics.

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/10/28/they-knew-going-in/comment-page-1/#comment-30768 Mon, 29 Oct 2007 03:18:03 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2007/10/28/they-knew-going-in/#comment-30768 Boylan is a PR hack who has been shoveling garbage over at Danger Room about the change in tactics and heavy use of air power that was noted and commented on.

He’s pure agitprop, part of a team to suppress complaints. They can’t win on the ground, so they’ll try to win in the media.

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By: Steve Bates https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/10/28/they-knew-going-in/comment-page-1/#comment-30767 Mon, 29 Oct 2007 03:11:21 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2007/10/28/they-knew-going-in/#comment-30767 OT, if you haven’t read Glenn Greenwald today about his communications with Col. Steven Boylan, who is Gen. Petraeus’s representative, I think you might find the matter interesting… and I’d venture you have an opinion.

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/10/28/they-knew-going-in/comment-page-1/#comment-30765 Mon, 29 Oct 2007 02:57:59 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2007/10/28/they-knew-going-in/#comment-30765 He should be under indictment after impeachment in this country, but that would require honoring the rule of law and the primacy of the Constitution.

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By: fallenmonk https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/10/28/they-knew-going-in/comment-page-1/#comment-30762 Mon, 29 Oct 2007 01:33:48 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2007/10/28/they-knew-going-in/#comment-30762 It is very cool that Rummy had to make a mad dash out of France today because he is under indictment as a war criminal in France and several other countries.

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/10/28/they-knew-going-in/comment-page-1/#comment-30760 Mon, 29 Oct 2007 01:11:15 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2007/10/28/they-knew-going-in/#comment-30760 Staying requires even more planning than leaving immediately, making it an even bigger mistake.

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By: whig https://whynow.dumka.us/2007/10/28/they-knew-going-in/comment-page-1/#comment-30756 Sun, 28 Oct 2007 23:36:58 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2007/10/28/they-knew-going-in/#comment-30756 they still aren’t.

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