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Comments on: Non-story https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/01/11/non-story/ On-line Opinion Magazine...OK, it's a blog Wed, 16 Jan 2008 04:05:33 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.3 By: Kryten42 https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/01/11/non-story/comment-page-1/#comment-33154 Wed, 16 Jan 2008 04:05:33 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2008/01/11/non-story/#comment-33154 Ah yes! πŸ™‚ Samizdat… I had to research Samizdat some years ago. It was a fascinating study! It started so simply with Poetry reading in Moscow that became popular with the ‘intelligentsia”. The Gov tried to stamp it out in the early 60’s, but the hunger was established by then and it was too late to eradicate. Like the US Prohibition (the 18th Amendment) of the early 1920’s & 30’s, all it did was increase the publics appetite for it and drove it underground. Several arrests were made including Kuznetsov & Ginzburg. Some, such as Solzhenitsyn were more careful and to well known globally to arrest then. It happened in other countries during the 60 also. After Ayatollah Khomeini was exiled from Iran, his sermons were smuggled in on tapes for example. πŸ™‚

Also, like Prohibition, the roots of the Samizdat movement began much earlier. Prohibition was essentially begun by the Methodists in the mid-19th Century, then driven later by the temperance movement.

I actually found a website when looking for some free eBooks online called Samizdat. LOL
The B&R Samizdat Express

Isn’t the Internet amazing?! Where was it when I was a Uni student! *sigh* LOL

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/01/11/non-story/comment-page-1/#comment-33152 Wed, 16 Jan 2008 03:00:58 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2008/01/11/non-story/#comment-33152 The mass media definitely makes it easier, and many people miss the implication of the literacy program after the Communist Revolution in Russia. The Party wanted to be certain that the “people” could read its agitprop, so it established schools throughout the country. That was the only real change the vast majority of Russians saw between the Imperial government and the Soviet government – it was still a tiny elite with absolute power over the mass of people.

One of the factors in the fall of the Soviet Union was samizdat [самиздат] the “self published” works of dissidents, educated in those schools. The ‘Net is a faster version of self-publishing with a much wider potential audience than the hand-typed carbon copies of Bulgakov, Pasternak, or Solzhenitsyn. The blogs can be traced back to the pamphleteers of 18th and 19th centuries. Outside of government control, and annoying the establishment has a long and occasionally proud history.

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By: Kryten42 https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/01/11/non-story/comment-page-1/#comment-33143 Wed, 16 Jan 2008 00:31:30 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2008/01/11/non-story/#comment-33143 I understand what you mean about it possibly being generational. But this is something that really has been going on for centuries around the World. The Catholic Church is a prime example of mass manipulation over a long period of time, and other religious organizations also. In the USA, you have your home grown *religions* (I call them pseudo-religions) Scientology and the Mormons. (I spent time in Utah. Learned a lot. If you have a lot of Money, and don’t really believe in Christianity, becoming a Mormon is a great idea.) πŸ˜‰

The primary difference the past century I think, is the emergence of mass media and communications, culminating in the Internet. πŸ™‚ I think the Internet is the GOP’s undoing. They underestimated it and they had little control over it. Until the Internet, the people had no real means of truly global mass communication to fight back, as you do with your blog and so many others are doing also. πŸ™‚

You may only have a ‘little home on the ‘Net’, but it’s an extremely important piece of the whole ‘rebellion’. πŸ™‚ Because you have your audience, and your message is essentially the same as so many other sensible, intelligent, observant bloggers, and that audience reads other blogs with a similar message, and they become convinced to varying degrees. With your background, you are part of a small peer group of bloggers with a unique perspective than can fill in the very important missing pieces, such as about Kissinger etc. πŸ™‚

Imagine where the USA and the World would be today without the Internet!! I for one find that thought horrifying. The Internet has essentially become the medium of the people. This is why the MSM and the MIC and the GOP are desperately trying to control it or destroy it. The MSM is loosing this battle, and perhaps they will loose the war! πŸ˜‰ We can but hope! πŸ˜€

Just call me Kryten the Anarchist! LOL

BTW, I have almost all Azimov’s fictional books, and many non-fiction. He was an amazingly prolific writer! At an interview, he was asked “What would you do if you knew you only had 6 Months to live?” His reply was “Type faster!” LOL

Thanks again! And please keep doing what you do! I know how difficult it is day after day (I have been there), but you are a valuable voice amongst the noise.

Cheers m8! πŸ˜€

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/01/11/non-story/comment-page-1/#comment-33138 Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:38:52 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2008/01/11/non-story/#comment-33138 It may be a generational thing, that every 10 or 20 years the same failed policies are pulled out and tried again by the “students” of the sponsors of the policies.

FDR was unique in that he would try anything, including a few things that were frankly dictatorial, but if it didn’t work, he would drop it and move on to something else. If you study his administration it wasn’t doctrinaire, it was utilitarian. If it worked, it was good. No other President has ever managed to pull that off. I believe that it was because of the dire straits the US was in when he took office that he was able to get away with it, and he was showman.

The Repubs had been working towards 2000 for decades, building their support network, subverting the media, fashioning the message. They then wasted all that work on a collection of corrupt incompetents and are seeing it collapse. They gather together groups that really didn’t have a lot in common other than to win elections, and now those groups are splintering over their differences.

If you know to look for them the signs have been obvious since Reagan took office. The power brokers assumed they could control the Shrubbery, and they were wrong with effects piling up daily.

Isaac Azimov’s Foundation series was built around the basic concepts of mass control, and sociology is no where as finite as it needs to be, but masses of people have always been easier to control than individuals, because humans are social animals by nature. Mobs do things that the individual members wouldn’t consider.

I can’t solve the problems from my little home on the ‘Net, but I have no intention of ignoring them.

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By: Kryten42 https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/01/11/non-story/comment-page-1/#comment-33132 Tue, 15 Jan 2008 12:57:51 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2008/01/11/non-story/#comment-33132 Yes, I have seen that often also. I believe it’s either a pathological inability to accept responsibility, or a pathological belief in ones own infallibility. No matter how often they are wrong, it’s always someone else’s fault.

I came to the conclusion early during G.W. Bush’s Presidency that he displayed the characteristics (along with Chaney and others) of an amoral personality.

Part of the work I was trained to do, was to build psychological profiles of *persons of interest*. I am not a psychologist, and have never claimed to be, but certain characteristics become very evident. Usually, once we had a rough profile of a person, we would worked with a specialist Psychologist to gauge our accuracy and adjust or fill in the gaps. We got quite good at it. πŸ™‚

It amuses me now how almost everyone truly wants to believe they are so unique and different to everyone else. The reality is quite different. When one understand patterns and how to follow threads, they become easy to see. This is of course why the GOP have been so successful. They understand this. It’s always been about manipulation and started a long time ago. I think that Americans in particular don’t realise, generally, how easy they are to manipulate. The environment has been carefully manipulated over a long period of time. And it’s much easier to manipulate a very large population. Not all will succumb, but they become the minority. We know that a big lie is often wrapped around a small kernel of truth, and that if a lie is told often enough, it becomes truth. This is one reason torture, especially prolonged torture, it unreliable. It’s only used to get the result the torturers want, and to convince the tortured that a lie is the truth.

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/01/11/non-story/comment-page-1/#comment-33127 Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:40:11 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2008/01/11/non-story/#comment-33127 For whatever reason some people seem to believe that their ideas are the only ideas worth considering, so when those ideas fail, often disastrously, they assume that something else was the problem, not their incredibly stupid ideas. As a result the US keeps attempting the same stupid things in the same stupid fashion. Most of the disasters can be traced back to the Dulles brothers, John Foster at State and Allen at the CIA under Eisenhower. Very few Americans recognized that Reagan reverted to the Dulles foreign policy, and it failed again.

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By: Kryten42 https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/01/11/non-story/comment-page-1/#comment-33126 Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:17:15 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2008/01/11/non-story/#comment-33126 During the early 80’s when I was working a desk in Canberra, I got to study a lot of reports about what was happening around the World. It was amazing how often Kissinger’s name popped up, but there was another name also… Cheney. Wherever Kissinger was, it seemed Cheney was nearby. Rumsfeld popped up now and then also. Oh, and Enron, Unocal and the Taliban.

If my foresight was as good as my hindsight, I’d have spent a lot more time studying them. I am certain that Kissinger is still working in the shadows and has a lot to do with Iraq. It has his disastrous fingerprints all over it.

People really need to wake up and look behind the superficial facade of Politics and have a good look at *the way things are done*! I have said many times, Ignorance is NOT bliss!

Oh well… the more things change, the more they remain the same. Yup!

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/01/11/non-story/comment-page-1/#comment-33100 Mon, 14 Jan 2008 06:52:19 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2008/01/11/non-story/#comment-33100 Australia has been assuming an important role in the Pacific, especially regarding the island nations, so I would guess that it is very possibly true. The US turns isolationist at odd moments and withdraws into itself. I wouldn’t be surprised to see it happen in the near future.

They have no historical perspective in Washington. They don’t learn history, so they certainly don’t learn from it.

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By: Kryten42 https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/01/11/non-story/comment-page-1/#comment-33097 Mon, 14 Jan 2008 06:25:42 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2008/01/11/non-story/#comment-33097 Surrogates. πŸ˜€ Very true! Australia have been surrogates for both the British and USA! LOL

I read a statistic somewhere that Aus has been involved in more Wars and Peacekeeping missions than the USA. Might make a list one day and see if that’s true. πŸ™‚

And you are correct about Iraq (or any other sovereign state for that matter). Also about Afghanistan, and you can add a long list of other countries to that.

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/01/11/non-story/comment-page-1/#comment-33079 Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:33:44 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2008/01/11/non-story/#comment-33079 Newton’s third law [for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction] can be applied to covert missions. Often it isn’t what was done, but who did it, that provokes the reaction.

Saddam was a tyrannical SOB, who should have been removed – BUT, he should have been removed by Iraqis with minimum outside assistance as this would provide a uniting force. Having a totally external force remove him does nothing to empower the Iraqis, and, in fact, makes them believe they are weaker than they actually are.

The Soviets often used the Bulgarians to do things that they didn’t want to be caught doing. Everyone used surrogates during the Cold War. We created a surrogate army in Afghanistan to fight the Soviets and then abandoned them when they won. We lost their allegiance and are paying the price. It was predicted by the people in the field, but Washington ignored them. BLOW BACK.

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