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Comments on: Today’s No Prize Either https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/01/30/todays-no-prize-either/ On-line Opinion Magazine...OK, it's a blog Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:22:07 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.3 By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/01/30/todays-no-prize-either/comment-page-1/#comment-33642 Thu, 31 Jan 2008 22:22:07 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2008/01/30/todays-no-prize-either/#comment-33642 After they brought Bill Casey back as DCI everything turned bad. He still thought that he do things with WWII OSS tactics and blew up the trust that had been built. The blow back has been horrific. Of course the entire Plame situation made things even worse – if the US will burn one of their own, how can anyone else trust them.

We didn’t honor our contracts with the Afghani warlords or the Paks. We blew out some of our own networks for political ends. There is no clear policy in place, no steadying influence that can be depended on. It’s a disaster.

Flying we were always worried that some US fighter jock would take out a Soviet recce bird, because we knew there would be retaliation. Staying alive meant everyone played by the same rules and no one cheated [more than was allowed for performance review purposes]. Everyone got something and a minimal number of people got injured.

Volodya is a real piece of work, as crazy as Bush and intelligent. He will continue to rule as prime minister – he likes power too much to give it up. He has created a good-sized cult following, just like Stalin.

No one is looking at the future in a realistic fashion anymore, and McCain will be just as bad.

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By: Kryten42 https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/01/30/todays-no-prize-either/comment-page-1/#comment-33634 Thu, 31 Jan 2008 10:22:04 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2008/01/30/todays-no-prize-either/#comment-33634 It’s true Bryan. It was a very small World. Then, we had respect and a strange kind of trust between the services. Certain things were expected and accepted. I’ll tell you the truth… we had more discussions with Russia and other nations about the USA than we did about the Red Menace! We could see what was happening there, and none of us liked it. Russia and China warned us about Panama, and we made sure the right people found out. But we also worried about extreme elements in our own and each others countries getting stronger. Putin is far more dangerous than most of the USA imagines. We used to discuss Bush Snr. a lot also, and his friends. The true Capitalists. We were more concerned with that than Communism.

Most of the people I worked with didn’t believe what our own Gov was saying. 🙂 Sometimes a meeting with a Malaysian, or Russian, or Chinese, would go something like:

Them: “So, what do you think about what your Prime Minister said yesterday?”
Us: “Not much.”
Them: “Ah. May I ask what the real plan is?”
Us: “We are curious about what the Israeli/British/Malaysian/etc Minister said the other day.”
Them: “Yes. It’s a worry.”
Us: “There is no plan, for now.”
Them: “Well, I must be going. A pleasure as always.”
Us: “Same here. And always a pleasure. See you next week perhaps?”

That was how things were done. And we all knew the rules, and we all took care of those who broke them. We kept our own houses clean. We understood the balance had to be maintained. The USA broke the rules under Reagan. They loved their little *accidents*. They made the old Belgians seem positively benign! Aircraft crash here… heart attack there… car accident elsewhere, accidental shooting whilst cleaning a gun, suicides were popular…

Certainly, it wasn’t always gentlemanly and polite though! It got dangerous when the trust slipped for some reason. I wouldn’t work in intel now for any reason. I wouldn’t even trust my own people now, let alone anyone outside. If you ask me, the World is headed for a huge crash. The “True Believers!”(tm)… There is nobody on the Planet more dangerous!

God help us all.

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/01/30/todays-no-prize-either/comment-page-1/#comment-33615 Thu, 31 Jan 2008 03:01:32 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2008/01/30/todays-no-prize-either/#comment-33615 Most people have no idea how really small the intel world is, Kryten. The number of people who leave their home country to “snoop around” is a smaller subset. Between the Depression and the alliance with the Soviet Union for WWII, the Soviets received a lot of ideological agents in the West. the transformation from noble friend to vicious enemy could have been handled a in a much more logical fashion by the western governments. There was so much positive propaganda about Stalin in the West during the war, that many had cause to wonder what in hell was going on. As Eric Blair [George Orwell] knew all too well, governments put a lot of time and effort in lying about things.

The Party, Security, and the Military were the three horses attached to the sleigh that was the Soviet government. It was amazing that it ever moved.

It sounds like you could use a break and a new deal, Blogmother. Take care of yourself.

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By: Steve Bates https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/01/30/todays-no-prize-either/comment-page-1/#comment-33614 Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:59:46 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2008/01/30/todays-no-prize-either/#comment-33614 Welcome back, andante! We need you, and many more like you. (Yes, I know: there’s no one like you. But I can dream, can’t I?)

As for Letourneau, hey, at least she did something for a student, which is more than one can say about the entire Dept. of Education under MissSpellings…

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By: hipparchia https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/01/30/todays-no-prize-either/comment-page-1/#comment-33609 Thu, 31 Jan 2008 02:28:14 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2008/01/30/todays-no-prize-either/#comment-33609 well, now that all the democrats have dropped out of the race, i may have to write in the name of one from an earlier era.

i’m also going to keep my fingers crossed that this means some kind of gore/edwards entry into the race is in the offing. tiny tiny hope, i know, but still….

sigh… yes, i’d settle for just a BREAK at this point too.

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By: andante https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/01/30/todays-no-prize-either/comment-page-1/#comment-33608 Thu, 31 Jan 2008 01:50:53 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2008/01/30/todays-no-prize-either/#comment-33608 As Tom Harkin said back in, what? 1991? When he ran in the Dem primary – he doesn’t want a New Deal….we need a NEW New Deal.

Just a BREAK would be welcome after Clinton-triangulation and the Bush fiasco.

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By: hipparchia https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/01/30/todays-no-prize-either/comment-page-1/#comment-33606 Thu, 31 Jan 2008 01:23:05 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2008/01/30/todays-no-prize-either/#comment-33606 i’m glad you made it back, andante. that’s one that we can mark down in the “good ones” column, alongside laugh-in and the new deal.

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By: Kryten42 https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/01/30/todays-no-prize-either/comment-page-1/#comment-33604 Thu, 31 Jan 2008 00:53:53 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2008/01/30/todays-no-prize-either/#comment-33604 Hi Adante! 😀 Welcome back! Hope you had a good break. 🙂

One of the problems with dealing with the Soviets is that the GRU [military intel] and KGB didn’t communicate very often, and when they did talk they assumed that the other side was lying.

That was soooo true! LOL I mentioned that when I worked intel in Russel (essentially the Military conclave in Canberra), I built a rapport with a liaison from the Russian Embassy. On a few occasions trying to drink each other under the floor, he would grumble about that (and other internal stupidities, and I would do the same) and the fact that the complete distrust in the former USSR was worse than anything outsiders could do to them. He ended up living here eventually, for *health* reasons. 😀

Hmmmm… Klaus-Rainer Rupp, a name I have not heard for some time. A GDR spy in NATO headquarters if memory serves…

As for Melita Norwood, yes, she was altruistic.Recruited into the NKVD in ’37. She always maintained that she spied because she felt her information was important to maintain global balance. She stated that the information “might be useful in helping Russia keep abreast of Britain, America and Germany.” She further stated, “In general, I do not agree with spying against one’s country.” Apparently, one of the many pieces of information she provided were such things as the process for extracting Uranium 235 circa 1945.

And I certainly do agree that graduating from a university is no guarantee that a person can think things through! The present US Administration certainly proves that sadly.

@ LadyMin: Yeah… They local papers here are slashing columns I like too. Foolish really, many were quite popular.

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/01/30/todays-no-prize-either/comment-page-1/#comment-33601 Wed, 30 Jan 2008 23:56:17 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2008/01/30/todays-no-prize-either/#comment-33601 Just in time for the next storm.

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By: andante https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/01/30/todays-no-prize-either/comment-page-1/#comment-33600 Wed, 30 Jan 2008 23:45:53 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2008/01/30/todays-no-prize-either/#comment-33600 You can add that on this day in 2008 I finally got home from my “Winter Vacation”.

I’m back.

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