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Comments on: Hmm? https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/02/02/hmm-9/ On-line Opinion Magazine...OK, it's a blog Thu, 07 Feb 2008 23:43:20 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.3 By: Michael https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/02/02/hmm-9/comment-page-1/#comment-33931 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 23:43:20 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2008/02/02/hmm-9/#comment-33931 Kryten, you’re absolutely correct and I should have phrased myself better, clearly I trust George W Bush about as far as…not at all. And I do not mean to suggest that anyone should trust any politician blindly, but some politicians have a better record of honesty and integrity than others. And some have a better record of standing up against wars, versus starting and authorizing wars. It’s not a hard question for me.

]]> By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/02/02/hmm-9/comment-page-1/#comment-33924 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 21:04:38 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2008/02/02/hmm-9/#comment-33924 I stopped trusting politicians when LBJ tried to get me killed, and I have never had reason to regret that decision. Thinking about the Presidents, and there might be a couple I might trust, but I didn’t live at the time, so I don’t know what sort of side deals were being cut. Grant was an honorable man, but his friends were some of the biggest thieves to ever serve in government.

I know entirely too much to ever trust any politician.

]]> By: Kryten42 https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/02/02/hmm-9/comment-page-1/#comment-33916 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 14:14:52 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2008/02/02/hmm-9/#comment-33916 The president of the united states must be above all trusted.

I think GW Bush has proven once and for all that is a very foolish belief, and i can think of several other Presidents in that same boat. The history of the USA is littered with examples of Presidents that couldn’t, and shouldn’t have, been trusted. And many other countries are in the same situation.

Perhaps the statement should read: “The president of the united states SHOULD be above all trusted.”

Sadly, I think that’s a thing of the past, if it ever existed at all. A Politician is a Politician. Just because he becomes the President (or any head of state), doesn’t automatically make him a saint and honest and trustworthy. Trust, no matter who it is, must be earned.

]]> By: Michael https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/02/02/hmm-9/comment-page-1/#comment-33887 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 17:57:13 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2008/02/02/hmm-9/#comment-33887 The president of the united states must be above all trusted.

]]> By: Michael https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/02/02/hmm-9/comment-page-1/#comment-33886 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 17:51:20 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2008/02/02/hmm-9/#comment-33886 hipparchia, it is possible obama may not do everything we would want him to do, or even achieve everything he sets out to achieve. but it is possible for the people to stand behind obama, because it is possible for us to believe obama when he speaks.

]]> By: hipparchia https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/02/02/hmm-9/comment-page-1/#comment-33869 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 03:33:47 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2008/02/02/hmm-9/#comment-33869 No president of any party can stand up against entrenched interests unless the people are with him/her. We the people are the sovereigns. We command, and the government obeys. At least that is how it should work, but the people have been confused and deprived of independent will.

nicely stated, and i agree with you on all that. wholeheartedly.

obama’s a skilled orator, and he’s certainly energized the under-30 crowd, which is excellent and implies that there’s truly some hope for our future.

i’m not in the least opposed to electing a ‘cult of personality’ president if they’re not going to squander their political capital once we put them in office. obama’s record, his rhetoric, his choice of advisers, and even his written statements on his website all suggest he’ll consider it a success if he wrings just a few concessions from big business in favor of the little people.

there’s always the possibility that once he’s in power and has a lot of us behind him, he’ll set aside his present incrementalism and make some bolder moves. preferably favoring people over corporations. 🙂

it’s entirely possible that that truly is the best we can hope for for now, no matter who we elect, the rock star obama or the pragmatist clinton, or even one of my first choices.

]]> By: Michael https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/02/02/hmm-9/comment-page-1/#comment-33840 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 04:13:08 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2008/02/02/hmm-9/#comment-33840 No president of any party can stand up against entrenched interests unless the people are with him/her. We the people are the sovereigns. We command, and the government obeys. At least that is how it should work, but the people have been confused and deprived of independent will.

]]> By: Michael https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/02/02/hmm-9/comment-page-1/#comment-33839 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 04:10:39 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2008/02/02/hmm-9/#comment-33839 We are the ones who will need to construct the policies and positions, we should not look for politicians to have the solutions but to exercise good judgment in implementing them as our representatives.

]]> By: Michael https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/02/02/hmm-9/comment-page-1/#comment-33838 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 04:07:35 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2008/02/02/hmm-9/#comment-33838 I think you’re looking for pearls in the wrong place.

]]> By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/02/02/hmm-9/comment-page-1/#comment-33836 Tue, 05 Feb 2008 02:40:39 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2008/02/02/hmm-9/#comment-33836 Michael, the other Michael at Musing’s musing lives in Illinois and has the information from when Obama ran for the Senate. I don’t like the policies or positions of either Obama or Clinton. Neither is ready to fight for people, and both are to the right of the country.

We are in serious trouble and playing nice is not going to solve our problems. Their stated economic policies are not going to solve out problems. Their positions on foreign policy are not going to solve our problems. The only thing to recommend them is that they aren’t as bad as McCain.

I would really like to just once before I die vote for someone, rather than against someone else. I would just like to have a candidate I wasn’t ashamed to be associated with. This is not going to be that election.

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