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Comments on: Oh, Great https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/03/30/oh-great-7/ On-line Opinion Magazine...OK, it's a blog Mon, 31 Mar 2008 05:16:09 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.3 By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/03/30/oh-great-7/comment-page-1/#comment-35351 Mon, 31 Mar 2008 05:16:09 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2008/03/30/oh-great-7/#comment-35351 I’m only reacting to what the candidate says, and there is no other information available to judge someone for a job that none of them has ever had.

FDR was the last President to face an economy like today, and the US has never been this isolated in the world. There is no example to follow.

We have a mess that is going to take a good deal longer than 8 years to repair, and we need some one willing to point out who did it.

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By: Michael https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/03/30/oh-great-7/comment-page-1/#comment-35347 Mon, 31 Mar 2008 04:28:14 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2008/03/30/oh-great-7/#comment-35347 I’m not happy with what Obama is saying here, is what I’m saying. But the solution isn’t to look to the past, the cold war presidencies of Republican and Democratic administrations were founded for many years on a balance of power equation that no longer exists. This whole pandering nonsense is offensive to me and it’s why I wouldn’t be a very good politician. People don’t want to hear that their heroes were not so heroic.

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/03/30/oh-great-7/comment-page-1/#comment-35345 Mon, 31 Mar 2008 03:39:26 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2008/03/30/oh-great-7/#comment-35345 I have been listening to La Chanson de Ronald for two decades and am heartily sick of it. Ronald Reagan was a disaster for the US and we are still paying his debts, and reaping the blowback from his adventurism.

The “Great Communicator” meant he could lie with a straight face and no one would call him on it. It was under Reagan that the media lost its way and forgot its purpose, covering for the man at every step because “he was such a likable guy”.

Jerry Ford was the last Republican the press looked at skeptically, and they over did it in his case. He wasn’t a great leader, but he wasn’t as bad as people remember thanks to the media.

Reagan and Bush created Saddam Hussein as a regional power. They created the groups that became the Taliban and al Qaeda. They got people killed all over the world, and yet, refused to react to real humanitarian crises. They are not people anyone should admire or emulate.

Bill Clinton fired cruise missiles after we were attacked by al Qaeda; got blamed for the mess Bush left him with in Somolia; and reacted to problems in the Balkans by participating in a NATO response.

Something that most people don’t give him credit for is his attendance when those who died in the service of the US were returned to the country. He attended memorial services for those who died, but didn’t announce it to the media. He attended some of those memorials here, because local units were involved, but if you didn’t spot Air Force One on the Eglin runway, you wouldn’t know it. He didn’t give speeches, he attended as a mourner and sat behind the families.

If you are looking for people to emulate for a constructive foreign policy, you could do a lot worse than the last two Democratic Presidents, who are admired and respected around the world for what they accomplished. They don’t need armored conveys to travel the world, because the world likes them.

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By: Steve Bates https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/03/30/oh-great-7/comment-page-1/#comment-35342 Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:20:13 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2008/03/30/oh-great-7/#comment-35342 Michael, the sentence Bryan disagrees with is this one: “And I disagree that the last Democratic president was reluctant to project force.” In your reply, you don’t address his objection at all; you incorrectly imply that Bryan said you were agreeing with Obama. I’ve read his comment three times now, and nowhere does he say or imply that.

What Bryan does say is that Reagan and G.H.W. Bush projected force internationally using the U.S. military much more actively than Bill Clinton did. That is a fact, and you will find it difficult to buttress any argument against that fact. And clearly no one on this thread thinks a return to Cold War mentality is a good idea.

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By: Michael https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/03/30/oh-great-7/comment-page-1/#comment-35337 Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:01:28 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2008/03/30/oh-great-7/#comment-35337 I didn’t say that Reagan and GHW didn’t project force. I think that it’s foolish to go back to that cold war mentality, and I think Barack Obama isn’t making much sense here, which is why I said I think it’s meaningless pablum. I don’t know why you think I’m agreeing with him.

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/03/30/oh-great-7/comment-page-1/#comment-35335 Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:39:15 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2008/03/30/oh-great-7/#comment-35335 You are entitled to your opinion, but not to your own facts. I lived during these times and know what was going on. There are records galore of what happened. If that string doesn’t strike chords of recognition, you need to do some reading.

The only reason you might think that Clinton projected force is because you don’t know what Reagan and GHW Bush did. The NATO campaign in Kosovo was the major military operation undertaken by Bill Clinton.

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By: Michael https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/03/30/oh-great-7/comment-page-1/#comment-35334 Sun, 30 Mar 2008 21:04:25 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/2008/03/30/oh-great-7/#comment-35334 This is really meaningless pablum, as far as I can tell. And I disagree that the last Democratic president was reluctant to project force.

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