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Comments on: No More Pasta For A While https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/05/04/no-more-pasta-for-a-while/ On-line Opinion Magazine...OK, it's a blog Mon, 05 May 2008 20:52:42 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.3 By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/05/04/no-more-pasta-for-a-while/comment-page-1/#comment-36135 Mon, 05 May 2008 20:52:42 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4138#comment-36135 Frederick, it was established early on that WVWV was not connected with the Clinton campaign, and was dealing with registration for the general election, not the primary. To continue attacking them for something that has already been established as false is not reasonable. Go after the opposing campaign by any and all means, but there’s no logic in attacking bystanders.

He wasn’t concerned with the facts after they were established, he acted as if the facts didn’t exist, even though he uncovered them and reported them.

Attack Clinton for her policies and actions, not for the actions of people who have nothing to do with her campaign.

WVWV waits until after the the registration deadline for primaries has past to get to work because they concentrate on the general election. Claiming they are attempting to influence the primary makes no sense because they don’t deal with primaries.

As for who leads in the insanity I won’t state an opinion because I am automatically biased against Obama for his efforts blocking the resolution of the DNC v Florida primary problem. He shouldn’t expect Floridians to forgive him for the part he played in disenfranchising them.

Obama and Clinton are both moderate Republicans with a “D” behind their name. I won’t support or vote for either one. I don’t vote for Republicans, no matter what letter follows their name. There are reasons John Edwards hasn’t endorsed either one.

I would note that many people who are assumed to be Clinton supporters, aren’t, they just don’t like misogyny, and it has been rather rampant. I used to sit on an EEO board when I was in civil service, and I am thoroughly grounded in the “dog whistles”. Some of the worse cases involved supervisors who were totally clueless about what they were saying and doing, and how everyone else viewed it. Using terms your grandparents taught you was not a good idea unless you really understood what the terms meant.

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/05/04/no-more-pasta-for-a-while/comment-page-1/#comment-36134 Mon, 05 May 2008 20:23:39 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4138#comment-36134 I’ve been know to use the Christian Science Monitor in cat carriers [before I discovered puppy training pads which are much better], so I’m loose with my euphemisms, Hipparchia.

In for-profit programs I tend to do a lot of labeling assuming someone else may have to maintain the code if I get hit by a truck, or it is a team project. Meaningful variable names and comments make life a lot easier than C code with single letter variables and no white space. Experience has taught me that people expect to call you years after you wrote something and get changes quickly, which is like asking Rowlings what she meant by the her description on page 73 of The Secret Chamber at a forum. She would probably have to refer to a copy of the book.

On the complaints side, the WVWV targets only the November generals, because you are still talking about 51 different elections systems at the state level. This limits the efficiency of any GOTV or registration drive. It would be nice if there were Federal rules for Federal elections, but that isn’t going to happen. Hell, it would be a “great leap forward” if Florida had one system, instead of the 67 currently in place.

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By: Frederick https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/05/04/no-more-pasta-for-a-while/comment-page-1/#comment-36132 Mon, 05 May 2008 10:09:10 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4138#comment-36132 That should read haven’t*

But I haven’t seen nearly as much crazyness on the interwebs from Obama supporters as I have from Clinton supporters.

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By: Frederick https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/05/04/no-more-pasta-for-a-while/comment-page-1/#comment-36131 Mon, 05 May 2008 10:07:36 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4138#comment-36131 Good post. Just one question. “He is so obviously in the tank for Obama that he has been pushing this, even after the facts were known, as some kind of Clinton conspiracy.” Does one’s pick for the Democratic nomination disqualify them from making any further statements or having any further questions about the opposing campaign? I can relate to Badtux’s earlier comment. I’ve seen it over and over. That’s why we own the defiled word. But I have seen nearly as much crazyness on the interwebs from Obama supporters as I have from Clinton supporters. In fact in our little neck of the blogosphere there are only one or two outward supporters of Hillary Clinton…

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By: hipparchia https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/05/04/no-more-pasta-for-a-while/comment-page-1/#comment-36128 Mon, 05 May 2008 06:06:02 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4138#comment-36128 de nada.

complaint processes are notoriusly slow anyway, but with elections being episodic events, and campaigns being temporary coalitions, it’s probably even more difficult.

comments? whuzzat? i never did a lof of programming, so maybe i would have gotten better at it with practice, but i sometimes found that deciphering my comments several months later wasn’t all that much easier than deciphering the bare code.

ot, i know puppy trainer is less regional than mullet wrapper, and far be it from me to discourage diversity in euphemism, but i discovered early on that making that crucial transition from indoors to out is a lot easier if you just put a piece of sod in a tray for the indoors part of it. eliminates that extra annoyance of carrying the paper on walks.

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/05/04/no-more-pasta-for-a-while/comment-page-1/#comment-36127 Mon, 05 May 2008 05:42:37 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4138#comment-36127 I assume that all of the calls are using the same contractor and phone bank, so the message would be the same. If no one filed a formal complaint, they wouldn’t know it happened. Even with a formal complaint, it can take a while for the contractor and client to be aware of the problem.

I’ve done some volunteer political stuff in California, and there was a problem with part of the operation the candidate had, but he was ready for re-election before he knew about it, which was a PITA trying to tweak code you haven’t seen in four years. If we had known at the time it would have taken 15 minutes, but it took two days just to find the code based on the complaint. [I tend not to “over comment” the stuff I write for free.]

It wasn’t a legal thing, it was an annoyance thing, and you don’t want to annoy people who vote when you’re a politician.

Thanks for the link. I’ve heard references to that a couple of times, but it’s nice to have the article from his local puppy trainer, and before he became the savior of the world as we know it.

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By: hipparchia https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/05/04/no-more-pasta-for-a-while/comment-page-1/#comment-36125 Mon, 05 May 2008 05:14:36 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4138#comment-36125 well, they targeted me here in florida, so with north carolina that’s 2 states where they caused at least minor confusion. but they could easily have used the same formula in calls in multiple states whose primaries were close together, or even on super tuesday, so even hearing about such complaints only a few days later wouldn’t have given them time to change their message from one state to the next.

kind of annoying for obama to complain about this.

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/05/04/no-more-pasta-for-a-while/comment-page-1/#comment-36124 Mon, 05 May 2008 04:58:13 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4138#comment-36124 They just need a good script saying who they are and that at the specific date of their list there was one or more unregistered voters at the address, so they are sending a registration packet. If it’s not needed, pass it on.

I mean, you can register at the DMV and well as the Supervisor of Elections office, but you only get a license once every six years, so that’s not very efficient. My local on-line system isn’t even secured, so I’m not using that.

There just haven’t been the voter registration drives that I’ve been accustomed to over the years. Everything seems to be directed at TV spots, which is pretty worthless in my area, even if I watched TV as there are no local stations between Pensacola and Panama City.

I’m not sure how much of that “multiple states” I accept. People may just have been complaining about robocalling. My Mother was pretty ticked off when she discovered the “Do Not Call” list didn’t include political calls. I wouldn’t expect WVWV to catch it, but contractors would generally react to the criticism and make changes.

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By: hipparchia https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/05/04/no-more-pasta-for-a-while/comment-page-1/#comment-36122 Mon, 05 May 2008 04:00:59 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4138#comment-36122 2008: isn’t it the year of the rat? certainly its the year of disenfranchisement.

wvwv has sent me a few e-mails, one of which was mildly confusing because it seemed to maybe possibly perhaps imply that i was an unregistered voter they were targeting, but this being florida, i just figured they’d tried to work from our nice, clean, accurate voter database[s].

which did lead me to wonder if somehow i’d been purged from the rolls, so i can see how people getting those robocalls would be disconcerted.

fortunately, i’m one to pick up the phone and call the local supervisor of elections and start asking questions, but not everybody would know they could do that. and hard to believe, but it’s true, not everyone even has a phone they can blithely pick up.

wvwv, while they should be lauded for their gotv efforts, really should be criticized for not including some kind of identification of their organization and some version of if you’re already registered to vote, that’s lovely, please feel free to pass this on to someone who isn’t. especially since it seems they made similar missteps in multiple states.

yeah, i’m feeling pretty let down by facing south at the moment too.

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/05/04/no-more-pasta-for-a-while/comment-page-1/#comment-36121 Mon, 05 May 2008 03:44:08 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4138#comment-36121 I just don’t believe this crap. The goal should be November but these people are on a Crusade burning everything in their path. That’s why I shifted from the state flag of the Kanton of Bern to the war flag. You have to be ready to defend yourself, and a pike length is a good distance at which to hold them.

I backed Edwards after Richardson dropped out, but these obsessives are doing their best to elect McCain by pissing everyone else off.

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