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Comments on: No! https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/05/08/no/ On-line Opinion Magazine...OK, it's a blog Sun, 11 May 2008 10:52:39 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.3 By: Kryten42 https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/05/08/no/comment-page-1/#comment-36280 Sun, 11 May 2008 10:52:39 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4153#comment-36280 Heh… It’s funny sometimes, the timing of events… coincidences if you like. 🙂 This just appeared on C&L:

Countdown’s Worst Persons In The World: Don’t Bother Me With Facts Edition

This was the relevant (and highly curious) part:

And finally, the gold goes to Roger “Jabba the Hut” Ailes, president of FoxNews for the singularly most perplexing entertainment news since Lynn Spears announced she was writing a book on motherhood. Ailes fired production assistant Jennifer Locke for publicly saying “I voted for you in the primary, you’re going to win.”

Wait, Rog, you guys fired a P.A. for publicly endorsing the Republican presidential nominee while in front of your own Fox cameras? I’m missing something. Does this mean you’re now going to fire everyone there?

And not to get all tin-foil hattish on you, but McCain’s response: “You’re not supposed to reveal that,” struck me as oddly phrased, in light of what Locke said. I would have expected “Thank you for your support” or “Well, we’re trying…” but “You’re not supposed to reveal that”? Reveal what? Her support or her knowledge that he is going to win?

And yes, I am still absolutely PMSL over Lynn Spears writing a book on motherhood! And they say irony is dead! LOL Now I expect Bushmoron to write a book on how to be a successful business tycoon! LOL Hmmm… I suppose it could be a “Don’t do what I did” kinda book. 😀

Ohhhh…. I think I need to lie down now. Too much hilarity at one time is exhausting!

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By: Kryten42 https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/05/08/no/comment-page-1/#comment-36278 Sun, 11 May 2008 08:02:11 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4153#comment-36278 You have it Bryan (as I knew you would). It is difficult to have a discussion on a complex topic via Blog! LOL Particularly by people a World apart (and not just geographically). I truly do believe that this is a good turning point for Americans (as a people). I (and my team) saw much to admire and respect and like there in the People. It wasn’t until we returned and spent a year analysing all the data we collected and researching many areas that the pattern emerged. As for why it was done… well, let’s simply say that Australia believes in “Watch your enemy closely, and your friends even closer!” (The original quote was “Always keep your friends close, but your enemies keep closer.”) Not that the USA hasn’t, and doesn’t, do the same! LOL It’s the paranoid way of the World today sadly. BTW, I have heard that quotation attributed to Machiavelli, Otto von Bismark and Al Capone! But I believe the first time (in print at least) was Sun Tzu in The Art of War.

Knowing you have a problem is half the battle to fix it. 🙂 I have said it before (and people laugh when I do), that one day, American’s will thank G. W. Bush for being the moron he is! LOL 😉 You know what *they* say… No pain, no gain! 😀

So, you know what the problem is… what will you do about it? (or, do you feel as I do most days lately… “I’m too old for this sh*t!”) 😉

Cheers! 🙂

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/05/08/no/comment-page-1/#comment-36276 Sun, 11 May 2008 05:11:43 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4153#comment-36276 The whole War on Terror™ is a concerted effort at mind control, and the level of pure propaganda that has been directed at the population of the US is on a level with the Soviet Union. The entire run up to the Iraq War was a Psyops agitprop campaign with the collusion of the corporate media.

The only to way to stop this crap is break up the media conglomerates which amounts to 6 corporations controlling almost everything on television, and well as in the cinemas. It is an absurd level of consolidation that prevents dissent.

The same sort of thing is going on with radio stations and newspapers. Truth be told there was more diversity in the Soviet Union, simply because of the failures on there internal lines of communication necessary to spread the Party’s message.

Trying to run everything from Moscow, when there is minimal communication in the eastern Soviet Union more than 50 kilometers from the TransSiberian rail bed, leads to a lot of unexpected autonomy. It makes for interesting reading when you factor in some of the rather odd beliefs of Russians.

I guarantee that Obama will never be able to shake being “a Muslim” and ” a crazed black nationalist Christian cultist” in the minds of the same people. The capacity for self-delusion has never been lacking among Americans.

Despite tens of millions in tax dollars spent on investigating the Clintons and finding nothing, all of the old stories will resurface. Being found innocent is no protection, and as a “public person” it is almost impossible for her to win a libel suit in US courts.

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By: Kryten42 https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/05/08/no/comment-page-1/#comment-36273 Sun, 11 May 2008 03:55:04 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4153#comment-36273 Sorry Kathie, I missed your comment! 🙁

You are essentially correct. 😀

Cheers!

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By: Kryten42 https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/05/08/no/comment-page-1/#comment-36272 Sun, 11 May 2008 03:53:08 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4153#comment-36272 I understand that Bryan. 🙂 Until I was selected for that project, I also filtered out all the *agitprop* as do most who work in Intel and allied fields. It just becomes white noise. Sadly though, we are few and far between. The general population (in any Nation) can’t for the most part, there are always exceptions of course. And I’m not denying it happens here either BTW. 🙂 What we saw and investigated there was really what some saw as a concerted effort by some group to *control* the general population in various ways. Mostly, to control the way of thinking and other areas. It was very complex and subtle usually. Bushmoron changed that, and I do think that in the long run, that will prove to be a good thing for Americans. 🙂 To become people once again rather than the sheeple they are becoming. As Psychiatrists, Psycologists, Psychoanalysts, Hypnotherapists, Linguists and Politicians know, there are many ways to control a mind. The best way takes subtlety and can take generations to achieve. Neither of which Bush/Chaney/Rove have! 🙂

When I went to Calabria (Italy) many years ago, I was at first treated with suspicion, as an *outsider*. They are a fiercely tenacious people who hold on to their traditions with an iron fist and brook NO outside interference. 🙂 It was only when they learned that my paternal Grandmother was Calabrian and a famous singer there to boot during WW2, that I was allowed (indeed, I had no choice or say in it) to become a *returned son of Calabria*! That would seem to imply that Calabria is a town or city. 🙂 It’s really a region of many small town and communities on the Mediterranean coast. and each within Calabria is independent and have their own regional language and squabbles, until an outsider tries to interfear! Then the meet the entire Calabrian People as one! It was so strange for me. Because although I knew the birthplace of my Grandmother, she toured all over Calabria and sang and lived all over, so that many towns claim her as their own! And it can get dangerous. LOL I saw parallels to that in the USA and UK (Essex for example, though on a much smaller scale.)

No. What we discovered in the USA was a concerted, planned effort to control the way American’s thought and perhaps more importantly, what they feel. We saw and documented certain *triggers*. For example, to trigger an intense patriotic response with a certain message. Many Americans don’t believe it can be done, or has been done. Who would? But I see now that people (thanks to the arrogance and ignorance of Chaney/Rove/Rumsfeld primarily) are beginning to question their responses since 2000. 🙂 It will take time.

The current actions of the MSM (and other groups) to control the outcome of the Presidential election is no accident or knee-jerk reaction.

*sigh* Well… we’ll see what happens. I believe however, that forewarned is forearmed. 😉

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/05/08/no/comment-page-1/#comment-36270 Sun, 11 May 2008 03:12:11 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4153#comment-36270 I don’t get involved in the “framing” issues, which is what you’re addressing, the coordinated campaign by Republicans to alter the meaning of words for political ends, best exemplified by their “success” in making “liberal” a curse, and their campaign to change the name from Democratic Party to Democrat Party.

I tend to ignore that crap because I spent so many years reading and listening to Soviet agitprop, that I filter it out.

I don’t doubt it comes as a shock to outsiders to encounter the concentrated effort to alter meanings, but a little spine on behalf of Democratic politicians and the media would eliminate the problem. “Newspeak” is alive and well among Republican consultants.

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By: Kryten42 https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/05/08/no/comment-page-1/#comment-36269 Sun, 11 May 2008 02:14:06 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4153#comment-36269 Of course. 🙂 But we were not looking at regional dialects and local colloquialisms. 🙂 Every Nation on Earth has that. We were researching the root, or main, language itself, and more importantly, what we saw as obvious and obviously controlled change in the meaning of words and phrases. This change has been accelerated under Bushmoron, which is probably a good thing as it should make it obvious even to those within the forest! 😉

I spent time researching in many US States, and I have commented to many that the USA seems less like a *Country* than a collection of small Nations, or tribes. 🙂 And of course, it is a Republic of States, each with a fierce pride in each States own heritage and *independence*. And it does also extend (as I saw) to small sub-groups (even to small Towns) within each state. Part of the conclusions in the paper were that the USA is a fractured Nation. We spent time traveling through several States, and even managed to peak the curiosity of an Amish community and they allowed us to live and work with them for a time. And I must say, it was one of the very few places in all of the USA where I really felt at peace and comfortable. I loved parts of Arizona, Massachusetts, San Francisco (CA) and especially Santa Cruz (CA). I also felt very uncomfortable in New York (city), Washington (DC), LA and most of Texas (and in fact, the only place we really had any trouble,which we did not initiate, was in Austin, Texas). Oh, I also didn’t like Salt Lake City. We saw the Mormons as penultimate hypocrites. And they actually can’t stand outsiders more than the Amish (unless you choose to become a Mormon, which you are under pressure to do!) They will strenuously deny it, which makes my point. 🙂

Look up the work of people such as Dr. Alvin Donovan III, Abraham Maslow and many in the field of Advertising and Marketing.

Cheers. 🙂

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By: Kathie https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/05/08/no/comment-page-1/#comment-36268 Sun, 11 May 2008 01:52:49 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4153#comment-36268 So Ocker can be said to be Aussies what Cockney is to the English.
Basically slang.

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/05/08/no/comment-page-1/#comment-36267 Sun, 11 May 2008 01:47:10 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4153#comment-36267 One thing to watch for in US English is there is no such beast, there are regional dialects. If I speak in my local drawl, few outside of this area would be able to understand me. One of the good things about being a military brat is traveling about and picking the local dialects.

The media tends to be a Midwestern version of American English, but the entire thing breaks down when you introduce vocational jargon. Everyone understands “media English”, but no one outside of the Midwest and the media speaks it.

It isn’t just the pronunciation, it is the vocabulary and the actual meaning of some words that alter depending on location, including words that have opposing meanings, i.e. the same word may mean something positive in one area and extremely negative in another.

The military and law enforcement are some of the worst offenders when it comes to euphemisms, but the corporate world can be as bad. You can tell after a while what large corporations an individual has worked for simply by their speech.

While there is a great deal of churn in American English, there are also deep pockets of stasis. There are places in the Appalachian region that still use Elizabeth pronunciation. If you wonder what Shakespeare really sounded like, there are people in North Carolina who still speak that way because they have remained relatively isolated.

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By: Kryten42 https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/05/08/no/comment-page-1/#comment-36266 Sun, 11 May 2008 01:24:03 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4153#comment-36266 LOL BRyan. Ahhh… But you are confusing Ocker with English. We speak both here. 😉 We teach Queens English in Schools, and Ocker in the schoolyard. 😀 Ocker changes with the seasons, though the root language tends to remain the same. BTW, the definition of Ocker originally was ‘an unsophisticated person’. Now it means Aussie slang. 🙂 Having attended hundreds of meetings professionally, I can say that only proper English is used unless an occasional Ockerism is used for humor or to illustrate a point. Howard tried hard to change the English taught in Schools to align us with the USA. He got nowhere. 🙂 We have been *aligned* with the USA more than enough, thank you! 😉 Australia is multicultural, and takes great pride in being such. We embrace our rich heritage, especially now that the criminal Howard is gone!

The US is different. There, the meaning of the English language itself is being corrupted almost daily. Perhaps people should be asking why?

Of course, none of this is that simple. If it were, it wouldn’t have taken my team years to put together a paper on the state and direction of the US language. I won’t go into why the paper was commissioned in the first place… let’s just say that certain Politicians and Military types here were curious about what they saw as a trend. It’s always easier to see the forest from outside. 😉

I can send you an email with some (possibly redacted) excerpts if you’d like.

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