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Comments on: Name Magic https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/05/17/name-magic-2/ On-line Opinion Magazine...OK, it's a blog Tue, 20 May 2008 21:08:15 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.3 By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/05/17/name-magic-2/comment-page-1/#comment-36516 Tue, 20 May 2008 21:08:15 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4193#comment-36516 Come on, everyone knows that radio waves can’t hurt you 😈

There have been a lot of things done with no long term testing based on assumptions that were flat wrong. The problem is that no one does anything after the problems are discovered, and no one admits any responsibility.

It will be interesting to see how cell phones are judged in another ten years or sooner. I can’t believe that they don’t have some effect on your body.

Australia was the obvious base for US operations in Asia, as everything the US “owns” is on small islands, many of which are subject to earthquakes and/or volcanoes.

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By: Kryten42 https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/05/17/name-magic-2/comment-page-1/#comment-36509 Tue, 20 May 2008 06:55:40 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4193#comment-36509 Yup Bryan! 😀 As I said… It was all pretty complicated! 🙂 For meetings and functions I did take the time to learn it all properly, and the proper address for each Russian attendee. Most of the Russians I dealt with were scientific or technical types, that was my department. They knew I took the time and they in turn took the time to learn how to talk with me. With most of them, we would end up gently correcting each other (with lot’s of compliments of course!) LOL At least… until the Vodka began taking it’s toll then we would tell jokes the other side would mostly not understand and laugh like crazy anyway! LOL The Russians were funny in that if you told a joke they did get, they would repeat the punch line every chance they got and laugh for days after! They also took great pride in ensuring we could curse properly in many Russian dialects! Very important! 😀

I know this all probably sounds as if it was just a great big load of fun for the years I was involved, but it wasn’t. We (Australia) spent a lot of our time being mediators between the Russians and others. I suppose we were seen as a kind of *neutral* territory, and in many ways, we were. Mostly because of our position way down here in the southern hemisphere. But that is really an illusion by people who think in terms of distance via the Arctic (North Pole). 🙂 If you go the other way, South, we are not very far at all. There was a good reason the USA kept a base here capable of landing a squadron of B52’s, until we closed it because it made everyone else *uncomfortable* to say the least! (Now we just have a *secret* base in Qld that have underground hangers that can house B-117’s etc. Thanks to Howard. What a moron). The USA has been trying to base ICBM’s here for decades, and when I was working intel, I heard there was a base hidden somewhere in the desert. I never did know if it was true, but I heard it from a Russian Scientist, so it could have been. It was a Russian that also told me about the Omega base here in Vic actually being one of 4 Global US VLF Submarine communications stations and was on the USSR’s ‘first strike’ list. The secondary control station for it is not very far (in miles) from where I live. *shrug* 🙂 The USA (and officially the Aus Gov) deny it of course, but now we have undeniable proof that something more than what they say is there. The cancer and other health problems in the area (roughly 100km radius) have increased significantly since it was built, and livestock mortality rates are high as well as birth defect rates for all creatures (human and not). And Amerika are our friends (as the Russians would take pleasure in taunting us whenever they could!) 😉

What a World.

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By: hipparchia https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/05/17/name-magic-2/comment-page-1/#comment-36508 Tue, 20 May 2008 06:22:24 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4193#comment-36508 2 words: indiana, iowa.

i can’t say, from firsthand knowledge, anything about iowa, but winters in indiana are dismal.

dis. mal.

it’s pretty much a straight shot from indianapolis to here, so not much mystery there. as for the iowans, maybe they head east first, and turn south at the first big city they come to. which would perhaps be indianapolis.

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/05/17/name-magic-2/comment-page-1/#comment-36487 Tue, 20 May 2008 00:45:06 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4193#comment-36487 Lots of people from Indiana and Iowa down here, for whatever reason.

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By: hipparchia https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/05/17/name-magic-2/comment-page-1/#comment-36485 Mon, 19 May 2008 22:58:43 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4193#comment-36485 i’ve read that it’s definitely a chicagoism. i hear it down here too, but maybe they’re all transplanted midwesterners.

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/05/17/name-magic-2/comment-page-1/#comment-36481 Mon, 19 May 2008 17:29:18 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4193#comment-36481 Actually, it is the Southern “code of politeness” that makes “boy” obviously derogatory coming out of the mouth of any politician from South of the Mason-Dixon Line. They can’t claim they didn’t mean anything by it, because their mothers would wash their mouths out with lye soap if they had done it growing up.

“Sweetie” must be a Midwestern thing, because the only person I know who ever says it is from Iowa.

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By: hipparchia https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/05/17/name-magic-2/comment-page-1/#comment-36478 Mon, 19 May 2008 07:36:56 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4193#comment-36478 my brother and i used to joke that we’re the products of a mixed marriage. the deep south branch of the family is very much like what you describe, using sir and madam and miss and mister [first name] like that. the midwestern branch is second to no one in their egalitarianism, pretty much steadfastly refusing to use any honorific, and for that matter, any diminutive. not a single person on either side would dare use sweetie, or anything like it, when addressing anyone over the age of about 5 or 6.

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/05/17/name-magic-2/comment-page-1/#comment-36456 Sun, 18 May 2008 04:38:54 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4193#comment-36456 Kryten, Russians have a three part name, imya, otchestvo, familiya or given name, patronymic, surname. The surname, as indicated by the fact that the word is not Russian, but an Italian cognate, was mandated by Tsar Peter the Great as part of his “westernizing” of Russia.

The polite form of address is the surname and patronymic, even for the Tsar. Addressing someone by their title, or even by their title and surname is demeaning, as it means you didn’t bother to learn their names.

The use of the first name alone indicates a close association, or, in the case of serfs being addressed by their landowner, control equivalent to that of a father for a child.

There are diminutive forms of first names, i.e. Ivan becomes Vanya, or even Vanuchka for a very young child. That indicates a very close association, or is extremely demeaning when used by a stranger. When Chekov writes about Uncle Vanya, a Russian already knows he’s going to be a bit dotty.

In the military sergeant majors would normally be addressed by their patronymic alone as a sign of respect.

In other Slavic countries they never went beyond given name and patronymic until very recently and the patronymic of the “founding father” became the surname. You see this in the -ic endings of Serbian names which is pronounced -ich. This is how Milos became the grandfather of the Milosevic family. [Note that the better transliteration would be Miloshevich. The “sh” is why the soft form -evich is used instead of the -ovich that would follow an “s”.]

Even today, the surname is not used a great deal in Russia. News reports will write about Vladimir Vladimirovich, not Putin, because everyone knows who is being discussed. Now they will discuss Dmitri Anatol’evich.

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/05/17/name-magic-2/comment-page-1/#comment-36454 Sun, 18 May 2008 04:02:25 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4193#comment-36454 Hipparchia, having been raised down here, I call people I don’t know sir and ma’am if they are out of high school. Younger than that depends on the circumstances, but I’m polite unless it involves criminal activity. I still follow the pattern of adding Miss and Mister to the first name of older people that I have known for a while. I personally equate calling a young woman “Sweetie” with the world’s worst pick-up lines.

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By: hipparchia https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/05/17/name-magic-2/comment-page-1/#comment-36453 Sun, 18 May 2008 03:15:47 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4193#comment-36453 obama says he calls all kinds of people sweetie but i liked the comment i saw elsewhere: i bet he wouldn’t call mike tyson sweetie.

a generalization i’ve noticed: women really do call all kinds of people sweetie — men, women, children, pets — but men only call women, children, and female pets sweetie.

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