Comments on: Enforce The Rules

By: Bryan

Bryan — Mon, 02 Jun 2008 01:26:17 +0000

She is not going to work for him. She will retain her Senate seat and start working on 2012 if she doesn’t get the nomination this time.

By: Michael

Michael — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 23:14:48 +0000

You know, Bryan, Secretary of Defense sounds like an interesting compromise.

By: Bryan

Bryan — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 18:19:27 +0000

I know what you said, and I know what would be heard, and that’s why unity is going to be almost impossible.

A cabinet post is insulting, especially concerning health care which is one of the few areas where the two of them actually differ. Cabinet officers implement the President’s policies. You are suggesting that Clinton implement Obama’s policy on an issue she has been involved with for almost two decades, and you don’t understand that it is an insult.

She is on the Senate armed services committee and has traveled in both war zones, but you didn’t suggest Secretary of Defense.

I know you don’t get it. You don’t mean anything by it, but you are definitely going to tick people off with your off-hand remarks, and don’t have the sensitivity to know why.

By: Michael

Michael — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 16:22:59 +0000

Gee, Bryan, I had no idea that a cabinet post is equivalent to being barefoot in the kitchen. I guess to give Hillary Clinton anything but the presidency would be an insult even though she lost.

Snark aside, she has the decision to make. It isn’t up to you or me right now.

By: Bryan

Bryan — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 15:52:32 +0000

Gee, Michael, why not offer her the Department of Housekeeping and Childcare, that should help unify things.

Think about it – that’s why there will be no unifying.

By: Michael

Michael — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 06:34:51 +0000

I think if Hillary Clinton will accept a cabinet-level health care position in the Obama administration, we can be unified pretty soon. If she won’t and wants to fight until the convention, things could be uglier. Right now there are a few more states (and Puerto Rico) to vote, and Clinton deserves to finish. I don’t think we’ll be having much of an argument in a few days.

By: Bryan

Bryan — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 06:05:02 +0000

Democrats came out in the primaries, but the problems is to get them to come out in the general. They came out because for the first time in years their state had a voice in selecting a candidate. Now they must decide whether they will support the candidate selected.

I don’t worry about trends. I’ve been out of this for months because of what the DNC did to me and the state of Florida. The treatment that the Florida situation received from other so-called progressive bloggers, just confirmed that my decision was correct.

Your man has to reach out to the voters he and his campaign have alienated, and there is no indication that he knows how to do that, or if it is even possible.

Clinton will support the party, as she always has, but I doubt she has the ability to convince people to return.

By: Michael

Michael — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 05:32:06 +0000

You're entitled to your sour grapes, Bryan. Hope you enjoy them. While you're entitled to your opinion, the reality is that Democratic turnout almost everywhere has been huge in the primaries. Do you think by refusing to vote you're representing some national trend?

By: Bryan

Bryan — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:38:47 +0000

Badtux, every one is entitled to opinion, but the fact for this election is that mine is a vote the Democratic Party won’t get, and I’m not alone in this feeling.

This is going to be a nasty, low turnout election, and “the rules” are the reason why.

By: Badtux

Badtux — Sun, 01 Jun 2008 04:15:58 +0000

The shit has flown both ways, my friend. Some of the outright racism coming out of the Clinton camp has been disconcerting, to say the least (“vote for Clinton because America won’t vote for a nigger!” being the implication of far too much of what’s been said there), and the body-slamming of the victim card onto the table by both Clinton and her supporters (“oh boo hoo, I’m a victim!”) doesn’t convince anybody to vote for Clinton. Nobody votes for a victim. People vote for a winner. A winner may be victimized, but does not define him or herself as a victim and doesn’t dwell on it inordinantly. Sad to say, the Clintonistas and their continual whining “oh boo hoo our candidate is such a victim of mean, mean people” doesn’t win them any support. People getting irritated at you when you start talking about how victimized you are might not be fair, but life ain’t fair. That’s just how life is. I can give you some stories from my own life that would make your hair stand up on end, but I post as a penguin, not a victim. Nobody cares how victimized you were in the end, they just care about what you can do for them (and for a Linux penguin that’s a fair amount, regardless of any… quirks… due to things that happened long, long ago).

Note that I don’t have any delusions about Obama. You say he’s a machine politician. Well, he was successful in Chicago politics, so that is a given. His health care plan is nothing but pandering, his attacks upon Clinton’s health care plan were dishonest, and in general I view him as just another Democratic politician, “change” rhetoric nonwithstanding. He has demonstrated that he is intelligent and chooses good staff, but nobody ever accused Clinton of being an idiot either (but Clinton certainly has been accused of unwarranted loyalty towards long-time staffers who haven’t produced — shades of Dubya!). There certainly isn’t anything policy-wise coming out of Obama’s camp that makes any kind of case that he’d be a better President than Hillary. At the moment Obama has the support of more Democrats than Clinton for one and only one reason: Obama spoke out against the Iraq fiasco at the beginning and correctly predicted its outcome, while Clinton voted for it. That’s pretty much it.

But to deny the reality that Obama has the support of more Democrats at this time… (shrug). Sounds like something the tighty righties are always doing (denying reality, that is). And to hand the Presidency to John McCain out of spite (yes, spite), well. We get the government we deserve in the end. Alas.

Now, if you forgive me, it’s time for me to disturb the cat that is sleeping on my lap and go see a man about a bunker :-).

— Badtux the Practical Penguin