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Comments on: Caveat Emptor https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/05/31/caveat-emptor/ On-line Opinion Magazine...OK, it's a blog Mon, 02 Jun 2008 19:17:15 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.3 By: Michael https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/05/31/caveat-emptor/comment-page-1/#comment-36901 Mon, 02 Jun 2008 19:17:15 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4246#comment-36901 The DNC is the Democratic party, like it or not. I’d respect your decision if you felt you needed to support the Green candidate, because the Democratic party has never been left of center.

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/05/31/caveat-emptor/comment-page-1/#comment-36897 Mon, 02 Jun 2008 18:33:21 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4246#comment-36897 Michael, my candidate, Al Gore, wasn’t even running.

It may come as a shock to you, Michael, but some of us actually have principles and stand behind them. Obama is the choice of the DNC which most definitely is responsible for what happened, and his campaign has blocked every earlier attempt to resolve the issue.

Clinton at least created her own machine.

Being called a machine politician is only slur because you believe that he is something more. He isn’t. He got to where he is today because there was a political machine behind him, to promote him faster than anyone else. If you look at what he has done, you realize it isn’t because of any great accomplishments – there aren’t any.

Obama and Clinton are both Republicans with a D behind their names. They are center right politicians with nearly identical voting patterns since they have been in the Senate together. Their foreign policy positions are pure Republican.

Don’t blame me because I stand by my principles, that is part of the package.

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By: Michael https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/05/31/caveat-emptor/comment-page-1/#comment-36896 Mon, 02 Jun 2008 17:25:24 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4246#comment-36896 Barack Obama had nothing to do with Florida’s property tax reduction. If your favored candidate had won the nomination, you wouldn’t be abstaining in November. That whole argument is a complete red herring.

What you’ve got left is a slur against Barack Obama, that he’s a “machine politician,” and it’s meaningless. Hillary Clinton has every bit as much of a political machine, and so does every successful candidate.

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/05/31/caveat-emptor/comment-page-1/#comment-36894 Mon, 02 Jun 2008 15:42:50 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4246#comment-36894 Frederick, if you remember my Primary Day post, you would note that I was encouraging people to go to the polls, without regard to the Presidential primary because of a constitutional amendment on the ballot.

Thanks to the DNC decision that no votes would be counted, Democratic turnout in Florida was below normal and the amendment passed, despite needing a 60% majority.

I explained about the real reasons for the Republicans changing the date of the primary in All Politics Is Local.

What they did on Saturday doesn’t “fix” anything for the people of Florida – we are screwed by that amendment, and the DNC helped the Republicans do it.

If Florida were a “crucial state”, the DNC wouldn’t have screwed us like they did unless they were totally incompetent. They are totally incompetent, and they are pushing a candidate with no real qualifications to take over the Presidency at a time of great turmoil in the country. I won’t help them.

Obama is nothing more than a machine politician. If you look at him closely you can see that he is a facade and nothing more. His “policies” are the same failed policies that are responsible for much of the current mess because his advisors still believe in them.

I’m not helping anyone do anything. The Party I have supported since 1964 screwed me over, and the results are their fault. This election was theirs to lose and they found a way to do it.

Any solution that only punishes 2 of the 5 states that broke the rules is not fair, and the Michigan solution isn’t even possible within the rules, so it will be fought out at the convention.

The powers that be want Obama, well he’s theirs. Now they have no one to blame but themselves for the result. Instead of Clinton 2.0 they have selected Bush 3.0 with a better speech program.

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By: Frederick https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/05/31/caveat-emptor/comment-page-1/#comment-36893 Mon, 02 Jun 2008 14:48:28 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4246#comment-36893 That is a totally irrational position. This flies in the face of all the explanations I’ve heard from you in the past as to why you were upset. Michigan and Florida were dealt with fairly, Florida retained it’s proportional representation and the plan put forth by the Michigan State party was approved. It leads me to believe there is something more to it than the hollow charges of “Machine Politician” thrown at Obama. In any case, helping the Republicans win in such a crucial state as Florida is your solution? Sounds like a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/05/31/caveat-emptor/comment-page-1/#comment-36886 Mon, 02 Jun 2008 04:37:20 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4246#comment-36886 Conciliatory about what, the DNC helping the Republicans screw us over again?

I’m out of it, and have been out of it since February.

Obama is a machine politician, and nothing more. For the first time in his life he’s going to actually have to compete in an election, and there’s no way of knowing if he can.

As long as only Florida and Michigan were punished, there is nothing fair about the process.

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By: Frederick https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/05/31/caveat-emptor/comment-page-1/#comment-36885 Mon, 02 Jun 2008 04:23:45 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4246#comment-36885 …and he’s still not going to face a real opponent in this go ’round either. He was the better candidate during the primaries and he’ll be the better candidate during the general election, hands down. I’m surprised, I was expecting to come here and see a more conciliatory post regarding the fact that Florida’s votes were fairly seated despite your earlier predictions. I was afraid that was going to be the case.

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By: Kryten42 https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/05/31/caveat-emptor/comment-page-1/#comment-36860 Sun, 01 Jun 2008 05:53:10 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4246#comment-36860 Yup Bryan! LadyMin and I just said the same thing before you started this thread! 🙂 Is that synchronicity? 😉 LOL

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By: LadyMin https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/05/31/caveat-emptor/comment-page-1/#comment-36859 Sun, 01 Jun 2008 05:45:36 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4246#comment-36859 Bryan… you’re right. And you don’t even live in Chicago! I’ve had the pleasure of seeing it firsthand.

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By: Michael https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/05/31/caveat-emptor/comment-page-1/#comment-36858 Sun, 01 Jun 2008 05:39:02 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4246#comment-36858 I guess we’ll see, won’t we.

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