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Comments on: Oh, No – Not Habeas Corpus https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/06/21/oh-no-not-habeas-corpus/ On-line Opinion Magazine...OK, it's a blog Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:05:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.3 By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/06/21/oh-no-not-habeas-corpus/comment-page-1/#comment-37456 Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:05:04 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4325#comment-37456 It would appear that my original response to you, Kryten, ended up in the bit bucket.

It was just an admission that these people make the Keystone Kops look professional. If you can’t come up with a charge that a judge will buy in a couple of days, you aren’t much of a cop, or you don’t have any idea who you arrested. I think it’s a lot of both.

Map, habeas is so easy to comply with, so automatic, that the only reason for avoiding it is that you literally have no evidence of anything. There are people released from pre-trial detention in Florida all the time because they have been in jail the maximum sentence in the guidelines for the crime they are accused of. The court system is a mess with too few judges, courtrooms, and attorneys, so if you can’t or won’t make bail, you literally can serve the sentence before the trial.

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By: mapaghimagsik https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/06/21/oh-no-not-habeas-corpus/comment-page-1/#comment-37455 Mon, 23 Jun 2008 20:20:37 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4325#comment-37455 Its amazing — no not amazing that simple things like habeas, which made perfect sense hundreds of years ago, are so confusing now. Of course, it helps when there are people who are deliberately trying to confuse the issue.

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By: Kryten42 https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/06/21/oh-no-not-habeas-corpus/comment-page-1/#comment-37435 Sun, 22 Jun 2008 06:42:36 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4325#comment-37435 Most of the real villains were recently rescued from their prison in Afghanistan under the nose of US forces. I am sure the Russians and most of the EU are laughing themselves silly, not to mention the Taliban of course! I am sure their recruitment is up considerably.

Many of those in Gitmo were dobbed in by people with an axe to grind for their own personal motive. The US did no checking or verification whatsoever. And that’s the true crime.

I see the EU just voted to suspend sanctions against Cuba finally. 🙂 The US is obviously still the real power on the World stage. LMAO

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/06/21/oh-no-not-habeas-corpus/comment-page-1/#comment-37432 Sun, 22 Jun 2008 05:29:19 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4325#comment-37432 The basic problem would appear to be that people don’t have any idea what these rights are, and that there are a lot of people being held who haven’t done anything.

Every time Guantanamo is discussed the Hedgemony talks about “the worst of the worst”, but not about a half dozen sheepherders who fled China and were living in Afghanistan because of religious prosecution. They don’t talk about the old Afghani who is deaf, half-blind, and uses a walker. They don’t talk about the in-laws who were sold for the bounties, or the tribal rivals, or the anti-Taliban insurgents, or any of the others who have been stuck in limbo for 6 years.

Face it, on sober reflection we have arrested al Qaeda barbers, chauffeurs, and travel agents, not operatives. These are the people who have actually been shown to be connected to the organization.

It is very possible that their big catch, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, is delusional, and not the “mastermind” behind anything, including himself.

The real problem is that they have poisoned all of their evidence with torture, and they don’t want that revealed in court.

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By: Steve Bates https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/06/21/oh-no-not-habeas-corpus/comment-page-1/#comment-37430 Sun, 22 Jun 2008 05:11:11 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4325#comment-37430 Did the winger really spell “habeas” correctly? That would be a first in my experience.

It is dismaying to contemplate how many Americans haven’t a clue about the significance of the Great Writ… and how long before America’s founding our ancestors established it. Those who would simplify everything to “us vs. them” seem to have no idea the peril in which they place the nation.

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By: Michael https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/06/21/oh-no-not-habeas-corpus/comment-page-1/#comment-37429 Sun, 22 Jun 2008 04:52:29 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4325#comment-37429 Indeed.

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