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Comments on: The Bad Penny https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/07/01/the-bad-penny/ On-line Opinion Magazine...OK, it's a blog Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:17:14 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.3 By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/07/01/the-bad-penny/comment-page-1/#comment-37704 Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:17:14 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4366#comment-37704 Welcome, Lewis.

You know Lewis, the military, intel people, cops, and computer geeks all seem to be attracted to caffeine. Since the people commenting on this, with the possible exception of you, are all computer geeks, and the majority are also veterans from one or more of the other groups, there is a major chance of a lot of caffeine involved, and a solid understanding of what’s going on.

The problem is that it is unConstitutional for the government to do it without a warrant. We remember what happened during the Hoover years at the FBI, and the Nixon years. We don’t like it.

The separate problem is that it doesn’t work. What is the pattern of a terrorist? Without a pattern it doesn’t do you any good to gather the information. When you are selling something you can discover who your customers are and target similar people, but there is no pattern for a terrorist.

What you may not understand is that the best and most dangerous operatives make damn sure they don’t settle into a pattern. It’s the same with encryption which why random number generation is so important – to prevent a pattern that can be exploited from developing.

Rather than wasting time, money, and resources on something is isn’t legal or effective, we would rather they started to actually use those resources to do something that is proven to be effective – following the evidence collected back to the people responsible.

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By: Lewis Shepherd https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/07/01/the-bad-penny/comment-page-1/#comment-37698 Thu, 03 Jul 2008 15:32:47 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4366#comment-37698 Hmmm, you guys seem a little over-caffeinated. Since when did “disruptive technology” go from being a bad thing – when the US Government decided it could be used not only to sell ads & mp3s, but to find the people who’ve declared war on our country?

IARPA is not “TIA renamed.” Elements of TIA were badly misguided, and killed for a reason.

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/07/01/the-bad-penny/comment-page-1/#comment-37669 Wed, 02 Jul 2008 22:44:22 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4366#comment-37669 Now that you mention it, he does look a bit like Shrek.

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By: Steve Bates https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/07/01/the-bad-penny/comment-page-1/#comment-37663 Wed, 02 Jul 2008 21:10:56 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4366#comment-37663 Could we rename Steny “Unge,” so that he becomes Unge Hoyer? (Ungeheuer…)

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/07/01/the-bad-penny/comment-page-1/#comment-37660 Wed, 02 Jul 2008 18:20:06 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4366#comment-37660 NAS Pensacola, NAS Whiting Field, NAS Key West, Eglin AFB, Tyndall AFB, McDill AFB are all in Florida.

They include Naval, Air Force, & Ranger training, weapons development and testing, HQ Central Command, HQ Special Operation Command, two fighter wings, etc.

“Shock and Awe” is brought to you with a serving of orange juice.

Fort Meade is in Anne Arundel County, but there are “annexes” in other areas.

All politics is local, and Congresscritters have no problem throwing away any scruples they might have left if it means more Federal money for their district.

BTW, with all that spending, overall Florida doesn’t get back all of the money it pays in Federal taxes.

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By: Kryten42 https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/07/01/the-bad-penny/comment-page-1/#comment-37654 Wed, 02 Jul 2008 15:57:59 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4366#comment-37654 I like this site! LOL

This was fascinating!
Federal Assistance by Recipient Congressional District

Seems Florida got the biggest chunk of that pie! Almost $2trillion all up, most of it in unknown districts. Hmmm.

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By: Kryten42 https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/07/01/the-bad-penny/comment-page-1/#comment-37653 Wed, 02 Jul 2008 15:43:54 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4366#comment-37653 I see Hoyer has been getting a lot of IT & Telco related contracts in his district since 2006. (I sorted the results by Product/Services Look for: ‘Automatic data processing and telecom. services’).

Contracts Performed in Maryland 5 (Steny H. Hoyer)

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By: Kryten42 https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/07/01/the-bad-penny/comment-page-1/#comment-37652 Wed, 02 Jul 2008 14:41:07 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4366#comment-37652 Ahhh yes! Of course… Thanks Fallenmonk! 😀 I was about to do some more research into that, I’ve been busy the past several hours with other things. 🙂

Of course, now that I’ve just reread the article Bryan posted:

One of the agencies that absorbed the work was the Advanced Research and Development Activity, affiliated with eavesdropping National Security Agency, and like NSA, located at Fort Meade, Maryland. ARDA was later renamed, given the ominous-sounding moniker, Disruptive Technology Office.

Hopefully, you’ve kept with us through all the name changes and acronyms. (Do intel agencies do this on purpose to confuse, or is it just bureaucracy at work?) The point is that IARPA, according to Signal, the magazine of the Armed Forces Communications & Electronics Association, was formed by combining the Disruptive Technology Office with research programs underway at the CIA and other agencies.

However… that wasn’t what was tugging at my memory. It was this:

IARPA Will Locate at UM’s Research Park

M-Square, the *respectable face* (front) for a a lot bad things. I remember now learning about things that eventually passed through UMD, or has some connection to it somewhere along the torturous thread during my own “data-mining” foray into the USA. 😉 🙂

And it becomes obvious now why the Dem’s caved on FISA:

IARPA consolidates the National Security Agency’s Disruptive Technology Office (previously called the Advanced Research and Development Activity); the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency’s National Technology Alliance; and the Central Intelligence Agency’s Intelligence Technology Innovation Center.

The Maryland congressional delegation, led by Senator Barbara Mikulski, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer and Congressman Dutch Ruppersberger, announced the decision. As members of the Senate and House Select Committees on Intelligence, Mikulski and Ruppersberger, along with Hoyer, have worked for months to secure a permanent home for IARPA in Maryland.

Democrats… Republicans… what was the difference again? I’m confused. They look the same to me.

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By: Fallenmonk https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/07/01/the-bad-penny/comment-page-1/#comment-37650 Wed, 02 Jul 2008 12:30:48 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4366#comment-37650 It’s been a long time but isn’t Prince George’s where Ft. Meade is? The main headquarters of NSA and a whole bunch of other spook outfits. When I was there for a short time we were working on advanced intelligence gathering stuff. Besides maybe some of the underground stuff out west Fort Meade is one hell of a secure place.
As you say Bryan TIA just morphs its initials but it’s mission never changes.

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By: Kryten42 https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/07/01/the-bad-penny/comment-page-1/#comment-37646 Wed, 02 Jul 2008 06:17:22 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4366#comment-37646 That of course that assumes that they want to catch *Terrorists* and not vegans (Quakers or not). This is all just part of their *Conformity with our view at any cost!* program.

STASI by any other name, still stinks!

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