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Comments on: Nice “Hearts & Minds” Campaign https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/08/02/nice-hearts-minds-campaign/ On-line Opinion Magazine...OK, it's a blog Mon, 04 Aug 2008 03:32:31 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.3 By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/08/02/nice-hearts-minds-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-38444 Mon, 04 Aug 2008 03:32:31 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4686#comment-38444 Reid gets to select members of the conference committee which hammers out the differences between House and Senate bills. After they come out, there are up or down votes.

Reid honors the “holds” of Republican Senators and ignores those of Dems. There was no comity under Bill Frist, who broke one of the longest standing Senate courtesies when he campaigned against Daschle. The Republicans were constantly threatening to use the “nuclear option”.

If the will was there, the way is there. Make the Republicans filibuster. Make it obvious that they are obstructing things. Give the media some visuals for the nightly news. The press releases don’t hack it. Make it a story.

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By: Michael https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/08/02/nice-hearts-minds-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-38437 Sun, 03 Aug 2008 17:03:57 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4686#comment-38437 There is also a very long history in the Senate of comity. The enemy has, historically, always been the “other body,” as they refer to the House of Representatives–not the people on the other side of the aisle. It certainly seems that the time for that attitude to change is long past, but the entire function of the Senate is to act as a brake, a check-rein. It doesn’t–and never has–turn on a dime.

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By: Michael https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/08/02/nice-hearts-minds-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-38435 Sun, 03 Aug 2008 07:21:13 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4686#comment-38435 What Harry Reid has the power to do as head of the nominal majority party, involves mainly committee assignments and scheduling. He can use his scheduling power to delay and obstruct, but it is not possible for him to move any legislation without support from the other party.

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By: Michael https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/08/02/nice-hearts-minds-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-38434 Sun, 03 Aug 2008 07:18:15 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4686#comment-38434 Harry Reid seems very timid. He wants to do the right thing but he doesn’t have a lot of backbone of his own, and maybe part of the reason is that the Republican party has an absolute control of the Senate when Joe Lieberman and Dick Cheney (in case of ties) are counted.

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By: Steve Bates https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/08/02/nice-hearts-minds-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-38431 Sun, 03 Aug 2008 05:05:49 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4686#comment-38431 Michael, the GOP’s notion of “compromise” is what Tom Coburn did to the omnibus package a couple of days ago. Without “compromise,” GOP-fashion, a lot of necessary bills… bills proposed by senators from both parties… could have passed by now.

Bryan is right: there is no reason Harry Reid should allow this to go on. The price for Coburn’s blocking majority-supported legislation should be rendered very heavy indeed, but Harry Reid keeps letting Coburn get away with it. We’re not talking about civil liberties issues here, nor about some sort of extremist legislation; we’re talking about ordinary budget matters that should, in almost all cases, be resolved by a majority vote. That’s what majorities are for: the ordinary business of government should not require a supermajority. Reid is allowing the GOP minority to rule even in the most ordinary matters. “Compromise” is precisely what is NOT required here.

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/08/02/nice-hearts-minds-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-38430 Sun, 03 Aug 2008 04:33:00 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4686#comment-38430 The fact that Harry Reid doesn’t take control of the Senate is his problem. He is supposedly a Democrat and the majority leader. The Republicans are allowed to block things because he lets them. There are a number of work arounds, but he won’t use them.

He would rather capitulate than lead. The Republicans stand their ground because they know the Democrats will cave in. It is that simple.

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By: Michael https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/08/02/nice-hearts-minds-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-38429 Sun, 03 Aug 2008 03:10:41 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4686#comment-38429 Unfortunately, without compromise, not a single piece of legislation could emerge from the Republican-controlled Senate.

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/08/02/nice-hearts-minds-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-38428 Sun, 03 Aug 2008 02:54:03 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4686#comment-38428 When do they realize that they aren’t being elected to compromise with the idiots who have trashed the country, but to correct the mistakes.

First reset to 1-19-2001 and then move forward.

When you are doing a rehab, which is what is necessary with the government:

1. Fumigate
2. Haul off the trash
3. Fumigate again
4. Clean up and deodorize
5. Repair
6. Clean up before showing it.

You are not compromising with the roaches, cleaning only some rooms, repairing a few things – you are bringing it back to a livable condition.

The people who want the current policies to continue are not voting for Democrats.

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By: John B. https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/08/02/nice-hearts-minds-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-38427 Sat, 02 Aug 2008 22:10:14 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4686#comment-38427 I am reminded of an evening long ago when my father and his friends were discussing John Kennedy. It was a month or two before the assassination, which as it happens rendered the discussion moot.

At the time, they were all quite disgusted that Kennedy that day had agreed to sign a very bad bill that included an environmentally destructive dam in Colorado which he had once strongly opposed. Kennedy did it just to get one more vote in the Senate for his ill-conceived, provocative scheme to arm our NATO ally Germans with missile-mounted nuclear weapons — putting the nukes, time wise, as good as next door to Moscow.

When they are not in power, as we have seen so clearly the last seven years, Democrats act like road kill for the Republican juggernaut. When Democrats are in power, they can’t agree among themselves on anything and so give away the company store.

A few weeks ago when Obama first started slithering to the Right, a prominent Obama supporter had an op-ed, in the Times I think, bemoaning how he seems to have switched his campaign style from being a no-holds-barred advocate of generally liberal causes to a style more closely resembling how presidents in recent times usually present themselves while governing — trying to please as many people as possible with milquetoast compromise solutions that often make the problems worse.

His point wasn’t that compromise isn’t sometimes necessary in governing the nation. It was that if Obama continues down this path as a political candidate, he will lose the election. And if he doesn’t lose, his pre-election “compromising” will in any event have crippled his ability to govern effectively.

1-20-09 is looking more and more like just more of the same.

Hate the thought, but maybe Nader was right.

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/08/02/nice-hearts-minds-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-38425 Sat, 02 Aug 2008 21:15:05 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=4686#comment-38425 Badtux, I’ve been calling him a Chicago machine politician from the get go. I have never bought into the “change”, and he lost me the first time he had something nice to say about Reagan – a man that cost me and lot of others a hell of a lot of money and benefits we had supposedly been accruing at below market wages.

John, you can’t compromise with the Republicans in Congress. There is no give and take with them, only take, and anyone who doesn’t understand that is too stupid to function in my best interests. Obama with sell out anyone and anything to make a deal and the Republicans know it. Bipartisanship = Surrender – It really is that simple.

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