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Comments on: Eglin AFB https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/11/23/eglin-afb/ On-line Opinion Magazine...OK, it's a blog Sun, 30 Nov 2008 03:52:17 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.3 By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/11/23/eglin-afb/comment-page-1/#comment-41168 Sun, 30 Nov 2008 03:52:17 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=6551#comment-41168 On the bottom center of the map you should be able to make out “Fort Walton”. Just above that there is an inlet of the bay that is called Cinco Bayou. I’m in the town of Cinco Bayou which is on the South side of that inlet.

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By: Moi https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/11/23/eglin-afb/comment-page-1/#comment-41165 Sun, 30 Nov 2008 02:00:04 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=6551#comment-41165 But, where are you?

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/11/23/eglin-afb/comment-page-1/#comment-41111 Thu, 27 Nov 2008 03:38:17 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=6551#comment-41111 Always looking for a bigger bang, when a surgical weapon would be cheaper and more effective. In the end they all want to go nuclear, because that’s the biggest bang there is.

It is well past the time when humans need to grow up.

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By: Kryten42 https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/11/23/eglin-afb/comment-page-1/#comment-41105 Thu, 27 Nov 2008 01:33:19 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=6551#comment-41105 Oh… I suspect that even if a Supercav sub is possible, it will be many decades at least. 🙂 That Aussie ‘Deep Angel’ thing was a plot for a TV series or movie. LOL

And yeah, I agree with you it’s be a BAD idea! I think the human race needs to grow up a hell of a lot before we can be trusted with something like that. Hell… I don’t think we can be trusted with Space flight either. But that genie is out of the bottle. *shrug*

The Russians developed a really nasty warhead (sodium hydride originally, but that may have changed) to target US Subs under ice packs (actually, they don’t target the sub, they target the ice pack the sub usually hides under). Was very effective and destructive. The EU and Russia also have new shaped-charge warheads that can effectively penetrate a double-hull, and the UK has the Spearfish, designed to hunt down the fast Alfa sub’s… Lot of work being done all over on Torp’s. 🙂

We are just such a mature species, eh? 😉

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/11/23/eglin-afb/comment-page-1/#comment-41104 Wed, 26 Nov 2008 19:28:55 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=6551#comment-41104 Sounds like the Revolutionary Guard aren’t quite as crazy as I assumed and are using a safer propellant than the Russians, which would account for the reduction in capabilities. They are definitely using a Soviet design, and they work with the Chinese on missile technology.

With Russian torpedoes, they are only safe empty. As soon as they are fueled, they are an accident waiting to happen. Even their standard torpedoes are fast and long range, but dangerous without their warheads in place. All it would have taken is for a torpedo to shift from a sudden move, or because it wasn’t secured. If they were loading one, and lost control of it – curtains. As for leaving them on the ocean bed, the H2O2 is corrosive, and trying to bring them to the surface would probably cause more explosions.

The SuperCav Subs is a bad idea from the start. We have screwed up everything else, we should try leaving the ocean alone. If a standard aircraft isn’t fast enough, set up a teleconference. There is no reason to keep moving “meat” around. It’s not like a conference in person is going to be any more successful with half the people involved in the wrong time zone, eating unfamiliar food, and trying to sleep in a strange bed in the wrong weather. That’s what the ‘Net is all about.

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By: Kryten42 https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/11/23/eglin-afb/comment-page-1/#comment-41099 Wed, 26 Nov 2008 11:42:29 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=6551#comment-41099 You mean… This? LOL

Actually, I watched that until it became obvious that the producers were typical Hollywood morons. *shrug* Scheider was right.

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By: hipparchia https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/11/23/eglin-afb/comment-page-1/#comment-41096 Wed, 26 Nov 2008 07:33:48 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=6551#comment-41096 supercav subs, eh? what’s the undersea equivalent?

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By: Kryten42 https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/11/23/eglin-afb/comment-page-1/#comment-41093 Wed, 26 Nov 2008 06:16:10 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=6551#comment-41093 I believe the Iranian torp is either the Russian Squall (shkval) or a modified variant. The problem Iran has is that it’s an early version with a very short range of 2-3km and speed of about 200kts. The latest Russian version has a longer range (reportedly at least 13km) and capable of 300kts with terminal guidance. The original plan called for it to carry a tac nuke, but it was changed to a conventional warhead. Russia also reportedly sold about 40 to China in ’98 to play with for their new Type 093 Shang-class SSN now entering service.

The Germans are reported to have their own design known as ‘Barracuda’.

I came acros a blog with some info with links:
Those 345 MPH Supercavitating Torpedoes: Did You Know?

Jerry Pournelle blogged about the sinking of the Kursk sub:
The Kursk and the Future of Naval Warfare

Here’s an interesting scientific article on the principle (with pics) 😉
Codename “Shkval-Torpedo”: Super-cavitation is a loop-hole in physics

Oh… And I should mention that for an encore after our super-quiet Collins sub… we here in Aus are developing the next gen supersonic sub. 😉 LOL

Australian research-visionaries have in the meantime already designed whole fleets of supersonic submarines, so called “Supercav-Subs,” on the computer that could possibly in the distant future accomplish journey distances such as London to New York faster than Concord. Eng. Vincent Kotwicki, who also presents the spectacular constructions and futuristic ideas of his team in great detail on the Internet (www.deepangel.com): “One day this technique will open up a whole new dimension to mankind. We could construct a network of underwater highways that connect the continents, invisible corridors, which could be kept free from sea dwellers with the help of supersonic signals.” – Plans that not only animal rights activists hope never to be put into practice…

Heh… 😉

‘What a World'(tm) 😀

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/11/23/eglin-afb/comment-page-1/#comment-41090 Wed, 26 Nov 2008 05:38:24 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=6551#comment-41090 Blair wouldn’t be NSA’s brief, it would belong to the State Department. Maliki OTOH would be very much in NSA’s brief based on his associations from way back. Hezbollah and the Iraqi Dawa party are two branches of the same organization and someone should be aware of it. It’s like forgetting the Badr militia was created by Iran’s Revolutionary Guard during the Iraq-Iran War. State would normally have the brief, but after Chalabi was caught talking to Iranian intel, the military would grab the briefs for the entire Iraqi government. Hell, we can’t even be sure the Iraqis are “enemies of our enemies”.

The Russians still use hydrogen peroxide in their torpedoes and the damn stuff is toxic and unstable. The evidence seems to indicate that one of the torpedoes blew, and that was the end. You don’t need a warhead when you use that as the propellant. They did/do some crazy stuff that we stopped after WWII. I wouldn’t be surprised if they still used lead/acid batteries in their diesel subs.

The Iranians claim to have developed their own version, but I wouldn’t be surprised to find out they merely fixed the Russian torpedo. The Revolutionary Guards are just as crazy as the Russians when it comes to taking chances.

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By: Kryten42 https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/11/23/eglin-afb/comment-page-1/#comment-41088 Wed, 26 Nov 2008 05:12:54 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=6551#comment-41088 Oh, and speaking of Soviet sub’s and propellers, we all know that the Japanese (especially Mitsubishi) helped Russia a lot there and sold the machine the US used for the 688 prop’s to Russia. There wa a HUGE stink over that. But I’m sure the Jap’s helped in other ways also, maybe they only got caught out once. 😉

I’ve also heard that China and Japan have helped Russia with that super-cavitating torpedo they developed long ago. It apparently almost works now (and was possibly responsible for that Russian sub sinking last year, they were testing the new torp). *shrug*

Russia seems to have more *friends* than the USA right now. Obama is going to have to do a massive amount of work. Good luck.

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