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Comments on: The ‘Coup’ Changes Faces https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/12/08/the-coup-changes-faces/ On-line Opinion Magazine...OK, it's a blog Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:17:43 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.3 By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/12/08/the-coup-changes-faces/comment-page-1/#comment-41323 Thu, 11 Dec 2008 18:17:43 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=6691#comment-41323 With snow today in NOLA and the way weather is changing, we may yet swap climates with Ontario. The key is to live on the North or West of the lakes to avoid the really troublesome snow.

He has record, and there’s nothing to indicate he will take on the corporations, but we’ll, unfortunately, have to wait and see what happens.

Yeah, his creative team is not exactly a “next of liberals and anarchists”, but thinking Peggy Noonan can write is a bit extreme.

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By: hipparchia https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/12/08/the-coup-changes-faces/comment-page-1/#comment-41316 Thu, 11 Dec 2008 07:18:19 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=6691#comment-41316 yep, lots of reagan. i’ve been reading about jon ‘favs’ favreau now that the photo has hit the fan — he’s been quoted as saying that his favorite speechwriters are peggy noonan and michael gerson.

among other things of course, i have to hope that adam frankel [another of obama’s speechwriters] is wrong about the 20-somethings.

given the speechwriting team that obama ended up with, it’s easy to see why he appealed so strongly to the demographic he did [young, male, too kewl to belong to any party], but i’m cynical enough to believe he’s just as likely to throw them under the bus as any of his other supporters.

his track record is that of someone who will give lip service to the little people while actually siding with the corporations, and i don’t expect him to move to the left of that, certainly not on his own. but if there’s any way to push/pull/jerk/shove him to the left at all, i think that’s the chink in the armor to go after.

plan b, runnung concurrently with plan a as outlined above, is to keep driving my elderly clunker, spewing plenty of carbon dioxide into the air in an effort to raise canada’s temperatures enough so i can stand to live there.

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/12/08/the-coup-changes-faces/comment-page-1/#comment-41311 Thu, 11 Dec 2008 05:16:22 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=6691#comment-41311 I wish you luck, Hipparchia, but I heard more Reagan than Roosevelt – FDR or TR.

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By: hipparchia https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/12/08/the-coup-changes-faces/comment-page-1/#comment-41309 Thu, 11 Dec 2008 04:57:34 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=6691#comment-41309 well, i voted for obama in the spirit of tony soprano, or perhaps tony rezko — i’ve given obama something, now i’ll be asking for a few things in return….

i still think obama would truly like to go down in history as the next fdr, and i’m positive that his ego is big enough that this could be a good leverage point. getting my lefty hands on the other end of that lever is going to be hard part.

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/12/08/the-coup-changes-faces/comment-page-1/#comment-41302 Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:19:10 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=6691#comment-41302 I didn’t believe, so I had no hopes to be dashed. I’m waiting to see if we can return to Constitution. If that doesn’t happen, it may be time to move beyond blogging, or perhaps out of the US.

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By: Steve Bates https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/12/08/the-coup-changes-faces/comment-page-1/#comment-41300 Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:50:20 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=6691#comment-41300 Does this conversation represent “the ‘oh, dash it all’ of hope”?

I am unsurprised by Obama’s announcements to this point. I did not expect a liberal administration, and we’re not getting one. So be it. IMHO, a competent Chicago machine politician like Obama is so highly likely to be vastly preferable to the Bush clown act that I cheerfully voted for Obama, eyes wide open. (Badtux describes the phenomenon well in a thread downstream.)

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/12/08/the-coup-changes-faces/comment-page-1/#comment-41295 Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:44:04 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=6691#comment-41295 “people hear what they want to hear and disregard the rest…”

I don’t expect anything from these people, so I won’t be disappointed. I didn’t vote for them because they aren’t progressive, so all I can do is watch all those who deceived themselves figure it out.

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By: hipparchia https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/12/08/the-coup-changes-faces/comment-page-1/#comment-41294 Wed, 10 Dec 2008 05:22:37 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=6691#comment-41294 oh, i’ve been very positive in all my suggestions so far.

not that anybody there seems to be listening, but that’s never been enough to stop me from sharing my opinions before.

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/12/08/the-coup-changes-faces/comment-page-1/#comment-41293 Wed, 10 Dec 2008 03:08:39 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=6691#comment-41293 I’m not sure that the Obama administration “means” anything, until some actual action. If they introduce any health care plan that includes the insurance companies, it will be a failure, as anyone who has studied the problem knows.

I thought for a while the Hedgemony was going to actually start a war with Canada over lumber, but that seems to have calmed down.

Apparently we aren’t supposed to be negative until we can prove in court that the next administration will be a center right government.

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By: hipparchia https://whynow.dumka.us/2008/12/08/the-coup-changes-faces/comment-page-1/#comment-41291 Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:24:45 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=6691#comment-41291 well, my original plan was for the bushies to antagonize the canucks enough that they’d get mad and invade us, bringing us their healthcare and gasoline from their tar sands, and employing our migrant workers. then they could take on mexico as a protectorate and we’d be all set.

oh well, best-laid plans of mice, men, and bloggers gang aft agley. otoh, if their govt stays dlc-ish enough, maybe they’ll be able to convince obama of the merits of single payer. that only seems like a fair exchange in return for austan goolsbee, dlc economist and obama advisor, earlier assuring canada that we didn’t really mean it about nafta.

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