Comments on: Israeli Agitprop

By: Bryan

Bryan — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 04:50:48 +0000

OWL, I just hope that people will start looking at the reality of situation, and stop automatically backing one side or the other. There are bad people on both sides, but almost everyone who gets killed or wounded on either side is an innocent bystander. This is madness.

By: oldwhitelady

oldwhitelady — Fri, 02 Jan 2009 03:34:59 +0000

Your post and all the comments are quite informative. I had heard bits and pieces on the radio, but not in great depth. Thank you.

By: Bryan

Bryan — Wed, 31 Dec 2008 06:17:10 +0000

Right now they, the Russians, have merged their separate party with the Likud, so they will follow the hard line of the Likud/AIPAC faction. Given the automatic distrust of the Soviets for Jews, the Russian Jews have lived under oppression a lot longer than other groups, and it is still fresh in their minds.

Russians became confirmed xenophobes since being overwhelmed by the Mongol Horde, and that trait has been reinforced by history.

Look to Bibi Netanyahu, the current leader of Likud, and his statements of paranoia and reliance on force. The Russians will fit in with him.

Understand that a major group will be passive and vote the way they are told, but those that chose politics, will be very much in the Netanyahu mold, which promises nothing good for Israel or the Middle East.

By: Badtux

Badtux — Wed, 31 Dec 2008 04:36:37 +0000

The interesting thing to see is what will happen once the current Russian majority takes over from the European minority as the leaders of Israel. You might be better suited than me to speculate as to what this will do to the psyche of the Israeli leadership. Russians tend to be rather gloomy and paranoid and prone to the use of blunt force as the solution to sticky ethnic problems, how does that contrast with the current Israeli leadership? More of the same, or quantitatively different?

– Badtux the Demographics Penguin

By: Bryan

Bryan — Wed, 31 Dec 2008 03:35:05 +0000

What the Israelis are doing is going to have exactly the same effect as the way the US has dealt with Cuba – nasty people are going to stay in power because of stupid policies.

Hipparchia, I’m just amazed at all of the media acceptance of this garbage. There are impartial observers in Gaza who are reporting what’s happening, but the Israelis keep on spinning.

What you say is too true, Badtux. It is exaggerated, but, unfortunately, not all that much. The Israeli elite are Europeans, and look upon the people that surround them as primitives. They refuse to make the compromises necessary to live in a desert. They keep trying to turn Israel into the Polish plain, and it won’t work.

By: Badtux

Badtux — Wed, 31 Dec 2008 03:05:38 +0000

But you must remember, Palestinians are not people to the majority of Israelis. Palestinians are untermenschen, unseemly mud people, not real people.

The only question in my mind is: Genocide, or ethnic cleansing? Israel is going to take one of those two actions regarding the Gaza Strip. Which one shall it be? They’ve tried slow genocide, but the Palestinians breed too fast for that to work. Fast genocide would be… messy. Ethnic cleansing might work — Hamas already did part of the job by bulldozing gaps through the border with Egypt, if Israel sent in an armored column and removed the remainder of those fortifications then sent the armored column back to the other end of the Gaza Strip and started shoving everybody that way with live ammo, they could clear the Strip fairly quickly. Of course that would also involve a bit of genocide since not everybody would voluntarily leave, but so it goes.

And the morality of all of this? Well. Let us not discuss that, because if we discuss the morality of ethnic cleansing or genocide when Jews are doing it, then we’re anti-Semitic. It’s only allowed to discuss the morality of ethnic cleansing or genocide when non-Jews are doing it.

– Badtux the Cynical Penguin

By: hipparchia

hipparchia — Wed, 31 Dec 2008 01:15:03 +0000

your translations would be funny if they weren’t so true.

i did laugh when i got to they taught chemistry and physics…, those having been my favorite subjects in school, but yeah, hamas is the only provider of social services for a significant number of palestinians.

they dress funny, they talk funny, and their prophets all have funny names, but just like the rest of us, they too want food, water, clothing, shelter, schools, hospitals, and freedom from oppression. you’d think this wouldn’t be a difficult concept for westerners to grasp, but apparently it is.

By: Bryan

Bryan — Tue, 30 Dec 2008 06:01:11 +0000

Obviously the “Final Solution” is not available, and “urban revitalization” is in use in New Orleans, so they’ll probably say that they are establishing a “demilitarized security zone”.

By: mapaghimagsik

mapaghimagsik — Tue, 30 Dec 2008 05:37:16 +0000

Don’t mean to pull out this hoary old chestnut, but what will they call it when they just decide to ethnically cleanse the area?