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Comments on: I Wish They Had Asked https://whynow.dumka.us/2009/01/14/i-wish-they-had-asked/ On-line Opinion Magazine...OK, it's a blog Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:28:27 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.3 By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2009/01/14/i-wish-they-had-asked/comment-page-1/#comment-42201 Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:28:27 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=7389#comment-42201 Well, you can’t blame the British for cane toads, any more than we can blame them for kudzu, we do things to ourselves. As Pratchett wrote “Man’s last words will probably be: I wonder what this does.”

We both know that they don’t hate government because it’s ineffective or inefficient, although it can be both, they hate it when it is both effective and efficient.

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By: Kryten42 https://whynow.dumka.us/2009/01/14/i-wish-they-had-asked/comment-page-1/#comment-42198 Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:25:00 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=7389#comment-42198 The ignorant British Aristocracy (Land owners in Victoria circa 1859) brought rabbits and foxes to Aus for their sport. Unfortunately, there were not enough hunters by far, and the rabbits bred like, well, rabbits. 🙂 They began doing enormous amounts of damage to Australia’s environment and meat and wool industries.

By 1950, there was an estimated 600 million rabbits. So, a decision was made to use myxomatosis to wipe out the rabbit plague. It was spectacularly successful. An estimated 99% of the Rabbit population was destroyed. The cattle and sheep industries recovered swiftly. However the results were much greater than anticipated, the fur and felt trade that relied on the rabbits declined severely and several furriers, milliners and clothing businesses that used rabbit skins and felt were forced to close. By 1995, the rabbit population that survived the myxomatosis in 1950 bred to high numbers and RHDV (rabbit calicivirus) was used to decimate their numbers significantly. These two instances of using a biological agent to control a mammalian pest successfully (by CSIRO) are considered the most successful in the world.

CSIRO were a brilliant Scientific organization that was Government controlled until the 90’s when they were partially privatized and forced to compere with the private sector. They became another typical mediocre research organization. Many (including myself) believe (with reason) that the reason CSIRO were privatized wasn’t because of what was touted as a ‘waste of taxpayers money’, but because they quite often successfully challenged patents by private companies that didn’t do their due diligence (or ask questions) properly who came up with some invention only to discover that the CSIRO had created something similar or better a decade before and it was sitting on some dusty shelf somewhere waiting for someone to make use of it. 🙂 Another thing they did regularly, was to discover a much *better* way of creating something or doing something that a large corporate company did *inefficiently*. IE, they would often be quoted in the press saying things like “You know, there is a way that can be done that will make it a lot cheaper to make and for people to buy.” The corporates, of course, couldn’t have that! Why… if people discovered efficiency and could buy things cheap, how would they make massive profits?! It couldn’t be tolerated. Therefore, CSIRO simply had to be made ineffectual. However, the corporations then discovered to their horror, that many of *those damned scientists* began taking positions at Universities, and they began this very un-capitalist idea of teaching graduates and post-grad’s how to make things cheap that actually worked! So, the Gov (Howard, of course) then semi-privatized Universities. and that’s how Capitalism won the day and about 5% of the World was able to breath a sigh of relief (at the expense of the rest). 😉 😀

And that, children, is how the World works today. Sadly, in this story, nobody lived happily ever after. G’night, sleep tight, and don’t let the capitalists bite! LOL

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2009/01/14/i-wish-they-had-asked/comment-page-1/#comment-42189 Thu, 15 Jan 2009 05:50:05 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=7389#comment-42189 No that people in New York have decided that deer hunting isn’t a great idea, the deer population is in a lot of trouble. We wiped out all of the predators, and were obliged to take their place. Without predation the herd is getting larger and will probably have a population collapse.

We just don’t know enough to make these kinds of decisions. Mother Nature can get really nasty when you horn in on her territory.

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By: Jack K., the Grumpy Forester https://whynow.dumka.us/2009/01/14/i-wish-they-had-asked/comment-page-1/#comment-42185 Thu, 15 Jan 2009 05:17:34 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=7389#comment-42185 …the history of species management is absolutely thick with examples of Grand Ideas that didn’t work – sometimes spectacularly – because of a lack of understanding of the interconnectedness of species in a given setting (which is usually the real problem). Back in the 1960’s, somebody decided that it would be a great idea to introduce a particular species of freshwater shrimp into Lake Pend Oreille in northern Idaho as a prey source for the introduced and native salmonid species in the lake. The rationale was that this shrimp species, kokanee salmon, and various species of trout thrived in a lake in Canada, resulting in large kokanee and humongous trout…

The result was a disaster, resulting in the complete collapse of a once-thriving commercial kokanee fishery and a dire threat to the entire lake ecosystem. We generally aren’t smart enough to actively manipulate Mother Nature to any particular benefit on a good day. On those bad days when we don’t think it through or sufficiently understand the circumstances and consequences, we can make a real hash of things…

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2009/01/14/i-wish-they-had-asked/comment-page-1/#comment-42180 Thu, 15 Jan 2009 03:35:21 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=7389#comment-42180 Man keeps messing about making decisions that might serve his short term interests, but few bother to think about long term consequences.

Anything they do will upset the balance. I hope the birds can survive all this mucking about.

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By: Steve Bates https://whynow.dumka.us/2009/01/14/i-wish-they-had-asked/comment-page-1/#comment-42179 Thu, 15 Jan 2009 03:17:43 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=7389#comment-42179 No one gives sufficient thought
What St. Patrick likely wrought.
When you rid your land of snakes,
You need cats, for heaven’s sakes!
When you rid your land of cats,
Doubtless you’ll have lots of rats.
Want less trouble? Do my bidding:
Put an end to all this ridding!

– SB the YDD

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