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Comments on: It’s The Health Care, You Idiots! https://whynow.dumka.us/2009/07/09/its-the-health-care-you-idiots/ On-line Opinion Magazine...OK, it's a blog Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:29:10 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.3 By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2009/07/09/its-the-health-care-you-idiots/comment-page-1/#comment-46870 Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:29:10 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=9987#comment-46870 The reason it worked in Monroe County is that Kodak, Xerox, GM, Bausch&Lomb, and the other major corporations in the area, made it work and everyone else signed up. There were three hospitals with their own specialties and specialized equipment. Of course, the most important reason it worked is that everyone was covered – it was a monopoly, it was single-payer. The college student’s were paying like everyone else.

If you changed jobs you got a different employer’s code, but your member number stayed the same. My individual policy was actually cheaper than my group policy, because I dropped the coverage for “grrrl stuff” like “birthing babies”, and saved $10/quarter.

Obama belongs to the Chicago school of idiots, and we are all paying the price of their failed policies. Fewer and fewer people can afford to pay the premiums and the “health care industry” had better start coming to grips with that reality. They have priced themselves out of the market, just like American manufacturers.

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By: hipparchia https://whynow.dumka.us/2009/07/09/its-the-health-care-you-idiots/comment-page-1/#comment-46869 Sat, 11 Jul 2009 18:04:49 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=9987#comment-46869 the co-ops idea that everybody has recently become so enamored of would be terrific, they’d be a lot like your ny bc/bs was. it’s basically how bc/bs got started in the first place.

the problem of course, is that for that to work we’d have regulate, regulate, regulate. at a minimum we’d have to bring out all our anti-trust big guns and break up the huge insurance conglomerates, then we’d have to make them all into non-profits, and we’d have to outlaw for-profit insurance [at least for all the care that’s considered medically necessary], and last, we’d have to disincentivize the co-ops from engaging in competition.

which is all backwards from what the stupid congress critters believe and the evil congress critters want: which is for the competition provided by small non-profit co-ops to force the big for-profit insurance companies to lower their prices and raise their quality.

ROFL

i’d explain predator-prey relationships to these people, since i have a degree in it, but first i’d have to pick myself up off the floor, which hardly seems worth the trouble.

and obama would have us believe that expanding medicare would be a disruption! he’s either dumber than a box of rocks [which i don’t believe] or else he’s hoping that we’re box of rocks stoopid [which i do believe].
.-= ´s last blog ..fizzickz lab =-.

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2009/07/09/its-the-health-care-you-idiots/comment-page-1/#comment-46860 Sat, 11 Jul 2009 05:53:21 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=9987#comment-46860 In reply to hipparchia.

They do everything except what they claim to do – pay for health care.

No one has come up with a believable reason for Blue Cross/Blue Shield of Alabama advertising. They have around 80% of their market, so who are the ads for? That’s the kind of waste that drives me up the wall.

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2009/07/09/its-the-health-care-you-idiots/comment-page-1/#comment-46857 Sat, 11 Jul 2009 05:22:23 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=9987#comment-46857 In reply to Steve Bates.

The worst part of it is that it didn’t have to be this way.

When I lived in upstate New York I had BC/BS, but so did everyone else. I had it through college, because it was so cheap that it was included in your college fees. At the time it was a mutual insurance company, which is why it was so cheap. You could afford it on unemployment insurance.

Because it was so wide spread all of your other insurance was cheaper, because the chance of someone being without insurance was so minimal. There were no non-profit hospitals in the city, but costs were low, because they weren’t struggling to collect money, or filling out multiple different forms.

When I moved to California I was floored at the prices for everything.

Since I left, BC/BS has converted to “for profit” status in that county, and the costs went through the ceiling.

No one would have been interested in a public plan in the old system, but the mood is definitely different now.

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By: hipparchia https://whynow.dumka.us/2009/07/09/its-the-health-care-you-idiots/comment-page-1/#comment-46855 Sat, 11 Jul 2009 05:06:14 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=9987#comment-46855 private insurance inefficient and effective?!

bite your tongue! it’s an extremely effective and efficient industry — at robbing the rest of us to insure the health of the fatcats’ swiss bank accounts.

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By: Steve Bates https://whynow.dumka.us/2009/07/09/its-the-health-care-you-idiots/comment-page-1/#comment-46854 Sat, 11 Jul 2009 05:02:42 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=9987#comment-46854 Mr. Duff is not interested in the numbers as they exist. Like all self-described conservatives, he is interested in smoke and mirrors. I am offering to give him one of those two. My “even bigger mirror” does indeed enable me to see a horror better, specifically, the wound on my foot. Mr. Duff is welcome to that, too, if he wants it, though I don’t wish it on anyone. As to witnessing silliness face to face, what can I say… for at least nine years, I’ve been silly by profession, though GeeDubya Bush eventually all but drove it out of me.

The facts are plain for anyone who is willing to face them: Medicare beats nothing by infinity, and beats private insurance by an efficiency the private insurers don’t even want to think about. Give me the choice, in real life, face on, and watch how quickly I choose Medicare-for-all… and how quickly my financial situation benefits from the choice.

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2009/07/09/its-the-health-care-you-idiots/comment-page-1/#comment-46846 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 15:43:30 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=9987#comment-46846 Mr. Duff, I don’t “claim” it, it’s a fact; the numbers exist; the numbers are real. I want to change to the more efficient system. I want to change to the system that provides health care and reduces costs. The people who don’t want to change are defending waste and abuse based, they claim, on ideology, not reality. You lack the ability to compare because you have only the NHS, and don’t have the direct method of comparison that we have in this country.

There is waste and fraud in our Medicare system, and more needs to be done to address it, but it is no where nearly as inefficient or ineffective as the private health insurance system in this country.

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2009/07/09/its-the-health-care-you-idiots/comment-page-1/#comment-46832 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 03:31:23 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=9987#comment-46832 Guys, we need to face the fact that Medicare does everything private insurance does at a cheaper cost except in one important, to Congresscritters, area – Medicare doesn’t make campaign contributions.

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2009/07/09/its-the-health-care-you-idiots/comment-page-1/#comment-46828 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:15:41 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=9987#comment-46828 Mr. Duff, in the United States the “transaction cost” is ten times higher for insurance companies than the government. I’m covering that in a separate post, but the numbers are well known. I realize that it is “holy writ” that the government is less efficient than the private sector, but the reality is that the government does certain things a good deal better than the private sector can, and this is one of them.

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By: Comrade Kevin https://whynow.dumka.us/2009/07/09/its-the-health-care-you-idiots/comment-page-1/#comment-46827 Thu, 09 Jul 2009 23:48:59 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=9987#comment-46827 Today I called both of my Senators and my Congressman to explain that I was in favor of the Public Option.

What I told them (really, their twenty-three year old staffers) is that I failed understand why Republicans demonized government, when the corruption and incompetence of the private sector is what got us into this recession in the first place. You listen to them spin it out and think that somehow the private sector has a purity to it that government does not. It’s so pure, as a matter of fact, that CEO’s gave themselves bonuses out of the stimulus money and still continue to fly across the country in private jets.

Regarding health care, I told them that government was no less flawed than the private sector, and thus they ought to entrust a public option to it with the same regard they have for their sainted private industry.
.-= ´s last blog ..Extreme Amusement =-.

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