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Comments on: Who’s The Threat? https://whynow.dumka.us/2009/10/07/whos-the-threat/ On-line Opinion Magazine...OK, it's a blog Mon, 12 Oct 2009 04:51:58 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.3 By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2009/10/07/whos-the-threat/comment-page-1/#comment-49326 Mon, 12 Oct 2009 04:51:58 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=11589#comment-49326 There is some stuff due to be declassified in 2017 that will clear all this up. This is what you get when you put CEOs in charge of the Defense Department – corporate profits are all they worry about.

The Israelis had pictures and silhouettes of every vessel in any Arab navy, and the Liberty isn’t even close to any of them.

All Navy intel vessels are Technical Research ships, that’s their official designator. That’s how you track them in the inventory. That’s a naming convention, not an attempt to hide anything, because everyone knows that. The other thing it means is that they have no ship mounted weapons, which makes a difference in ports of call and passage through waterways, as they are technically not “war ships”.

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By: Kryten42 https://whynow.dumka.us/2009/10/07/whos-the-threat/comment-page-1/#comment-49324 Mon, 12 Oct 2009 04:25:29 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=11589#comment-49324 *SIGH* Sorry! I didn’t copy the whole thing! Here’s the first part (you can join them or delete them as you wish)

The Attack on the USS Liberty by Israel in 1967 is the kind of story that makes your blood seethe. It’s another lie that has been widely promoted, and accepted, and then thrown into the dustbin of history.

The glaring inconsistincies concerning the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty need to be exposed, especially now with so many American’s fighting and dying in the middle east. Much new evidence has come out about the fact that the Israeli attack was deliberate, and that the US government went to extraordinary lengths to disguise the truth. Both the US and Israel governments would rather this story remain in the dark, but understand this, Israel is not the innocent angel with a halo over it’s head that so many would like you to believe, and the actions of the US government in this are nothing short of traitorous. On June 8, 1967, as Israel was torturing Egyptian prisoners of war at Al Arish, some 13 miles off the Mediterranean coast, the Israeli air force bombed the USS Liberty, resulting in the deaths of 34 American servicemen, and leaving 174 injured, many seriously. It was an attack on a UNARMED US Intelligence Ship, and the US government seemed all too willing to look the other way.

The Israeli air force sent more than 800 rounds of cannon fire, rockets, heavy bombs and burning napalm on to the USS Liberty. In an attack that lasted more than an hour, three Israeli vessels fired five torpedoes at the ship, virtually destroying the American boat. Escaping sailors were hit by machine gun fire, leading many survivors to believe that it was Israel?s intention to kill all aboard. Yet, despite the loss of American life and 174 injured servicemen, Congress still refused to launch an official investigation to reassess the original Court of Inquiry, which claimed it was merely a tragic accident. The Navy Court of Inquiry, held just 10 days after the attack, officially accepted Israel?s claim that it mistook the Liberty for an Egyptian ship. This is despite the fact that only hours after the Liberty arrived it was spotted by the Israeli military. The IDF sent out reconnaissance planes to identify the ship. They made eight trips over a period of three hours. The Liberty was flying a large US flag and was easily recognizable as an American vessel.

A few hours later more planes came. These were Israeli Mirage III fighters, armed with rockets and machine guns. As off-duty officers sunbathed on the deck, the fighters opened fire on the defenseless ship with rockets and machine guns. A few minutes later a second wave of planes streaked overhead, French-built Mystere jets, which not only pelted the ship with gunfire but also with napalm bomblets, coating the deck with the flaming jelly. By now, the Liberty was on fire and dozens were wounded and killed, excluding several of the ship’s top officers. As the Liberty listed in the choppy seas, its deck aflame, crew members dropped life rafts into the water and prepared to scuttle the ship. Given the number of wounded, this was going to be a dangerous operation. But it soon proved impossible, as the Israeli attack boats strafed the rafts with machine gun fire. No body was going to get out alive that way.

That the attack happened in broad daylight, and that the ship was flying a large American flag and had its name painted in English in five-foot letters on the side seems to be of no consequence. The Court of Inquiry deep-sixed testimony and affidavits regarding the flag-Ennes had ordered: a crisp new one deployed early on the morning of the attack. The investigators buried intercepts of conversations between IDF pilots identifying the ship as flying an American flag. Retired Captain Ward Boston, who was the legal counsel to the Navy Court of Inquiry, told the publication that he and the Court?s president, the late Rear Admiral Isaac Kidd, always believed that Israeli forces knowingly attacked the Liberty. Israel attacked the USS Liberty using UNMARKED AIRCRAFT. This is the single fact which proves Israel knew exactly who they were attacking. Israel’s story is that they thought USS Liberty was an Egyptian ship and therefore a legitimate target of war. Were that true, there would be no reason to attack a supposedly Egyptian ship with unmarked aircraft. The only possible reason to use unmarked aircraft to attack the ship is that Israel knew it was an American ship and intended to sink it, then to blame the attack on Egypt. The top legal council to the official investigation who was in a position to know, agreed that Israel intended to sink the USS Liberty and blame Egypt for it, thus dragging the United States into a war on Israel’s behalf. This seems to be a common trick of Israel. Starting with the Lavon affair, through the USS Liberty, to the fake radio transmitter that tricked Reagan into attacking Libya, to potentially 9-11 itself, Israel’s game is to frame Arabs and set them up as targets for the United States.

The official US investigation is discredited. And with it, every claim of innocence for Israel that relied on the official investigation as a source. The real question facing the American people is why the US Government seemed, and continues to seem more concerned with protecting Israel after they are caught playing these dirty tricks, rather than defending their troops, and letting the people know just what happened to the USS Liberty. For example, the Liberty’s radio team tried to issue a distress call, but discovered the frequencies had been jammed by the Israeli planes with what one communications specialist called “a buzzsaw sound.” (NOTE: even testimony by the Liberty’s communications officers about the jamming of the ship’s radios was classified as “Top Secret.” The reason? It proved that Israel knew it was attacking an American ship. “Here was strong evidence that the attack was planned in advance and that our ship’s identity was known to the attackers, for it its practically impossible to jam the radio of a stranger, but this information was hushed up and no conclusions were drawn from it.) Finally, an open channel was found and the Liberty got out a message it was under attack to the USS America, the Sixth Fleet’s large aircraft carrier.

Two F-4s left the carrier to come to the Liberty’s aid. When word reached the Pentagon, Defense Secretary Robert McNamara became irate and ordered the jets to return. “Tell the Sixth Fleet to get those aircraft back immediately”, he barked. McNamara’s injunction was reiterated in saltier terms by Admiral David L. McDonald, the chief of Naval Operations: “You get those fucking airplanes back on deck, and you get them back down.” The planes turned around. And the attack on the Liberty continued. After the attack, as the wounded were being evacuated, an officer with the Office of Naval Intelligence instructed the men not to talk about their ordeal with the press. Within three weeks, the Navy put out the 700-page report, exonerating the Israelis, claiming the attack had been accidental and that the Israelis had pulled back as soon as they realized their mistake. Defense Secretary McNamara suggested the whole affair should be forgotten. “These errors do occur”, McNamara concluded.

Jim Ennes was a lieutenant on the bridge of the USS Liberty on the day of the attack, and is instrumental in leading the campaign for the truth to be made public. Ennes told IslamOnline that he believes the new testimony in the Navy Times gives greater credibility to their campaign, ?especially as the Court of Inquiry is the only investigative body that talked to the crew.? More proof has recently come to light from the Israeli side. A few years after Attack on the Liberty was originally published, Ennes got a call from Evan Toni, an Israeli pilot. Toni told Ennes that he had just read his book and wanted to tell him his story. Toni said that he was the pilot in the first Israeli Mirage fighter to reach the Liberty. He immediately recognized the ship to be a US Navy vessel. He radioed Israeli air command with this information and asked for instructions. Toni said he was ordered to “attack.” He refused and flew back to the air base at Ashdod. When he arrived he was summarily arrested for disobeying orders. A particularly damning report compiled by a CIA informant suggests that Israeli Defense minister Moshe Dayan personally ordered the attack and wanted it to proceed until the Liberty was sunk and all on board killed.

After a Newsweek story exposed the gist of what really happened on that day in the Mediterranean, an enraged Admiral McCain placed all the sailors under a gag order. When one sailor told an officer that he was having problems living with the cover-up, he was told: “Forget about it, that’s an order.” The Navy went to bizarre lengths to keep the crew of the Liberty from telling what they knew. When gag orders didn’t work, they threatened sanctions. Ennes tells of the confinement and interrogation of two Liberty sailors that sounds like something right out of the CIA’s MK-Ultra program. “In an incredible abuse of authority, military officers held two young Liberty sailors against their will in a locked and heavily guarded psychiatric ward of the base hospital”, Ennes writes. “For days these men were drugged and questioned about their recollections of the attack by a ‘therapist’ who admitted to being untrained in either psychiatry or psychology. At one point, they avoided electroshock only by bolting from the room and demanding to see the commanding officer.” Upon coming home, the veterans who tried to tell of their ordeal were harassed relentlessly. They were branded as drunks, bigots, liars and frauds. Often, it turns out, these slurs were leaked by the Pentagon. And, of course, they were also painted as anti-Semites.

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By: Kryten42 https://whynow.dumka.us/2009/10/07/whos-the-threat/comment-page-1/#comment-49323 Mon, 12 Oct 2009 04:23:20 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=11589#comment-49323 When I was blogging at LM, I did a series on Israel atrocities against the USA, and the USA’s seeming collusion. I received an email from someone I’d dealt with while working in the USA, who became a regular at LM, and wanted to remain anonymous. I didn’t publish it as I didn’t have time to verify the contents (even though I knew the source… old habits, and professionalism demanded it) and LM closed shortly after. I know the tragedy of the Liberty is close to home, and why, for you Bryan. And I know that you know a lot about what happened, and maybe even why.

As I say, i haven’t had a chance to verify any of this, but if you know, I’ll leave it to you to decide what to do with this.

Israel bombed the Liberty to bring about an American attack on their old nemisis, Egypt, in retaliation. American Servicemen claim that a nuclear attack on Cairo was only narrowly averted. On the TV documentary, ?Dead in the Water,? US servicemen testify on camera that nuclear-armed planes were sent to attack Cairo on receipt of the news in Washington. The US authorities falsely assumed that it was an Egyptian attack on the Liberty, and thus officials ordered immediate retaliation. Of course, for this plan to work, the Liberty had to be destroyed and its crew killed. The planes were recalled when it was realized that the attacker was actually the Israeli forces. The sources in the film are a crew-member from the aircraft carrier USS America who saw the planes launched; a US Navy radio operator who heard the radio traffic about them being launched which he is certain was referring to nuclear-armed aircraft; and the account given by a Liberty survivor of a conversation at the time with the commander of the Sixth Fleet carriers in which he (the admiral) describes what happened, producer Chris Mitchell told IslamOnline. The radio operator states on camera that he heard US Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara personally give the orders. A couple of other witnesses talked to program makers off camera. When interviewed by the team, McNamara denied the charges. Said Mitchell, ?I certainly think people in Cairo might like to know how close they came to being incinerated by a US nuclear bomb.?

The Pentagon lied to the public about the attack on the Liberty from the very beginning. In a decision personally approved by the loathsome McNamara, the Pentagon denied to the press that the Liberty was an intelligence ship, referring to it instead as a Technical Research ship, as if it were little more than a military version of Jacques Cousteau’s Calypso. The military press corps on the USS America, where most of the wounded sailors had been taken, were placed under extreme restrictions. All of the stories filed from the carrier were first routed through the Pentagon for security clearance, objectionable material was removed with barely a bleat of protest from the reporters or their publications.

The bigger question is why the US government would participate so enthusiastically in the cover-up of a war crime against its own sailors. Through most of the 1960s, the US congress had imposed a ban on the sale of arms to Israel. But at the time of the Liberty attack, the Pentagon (and its allies in the White House and on the Hill) were seeking to have this proscription overturned. The top brass certainly knew that any evidence of a deliberate attack on a US Navy ship by the IDF would scuttle their plans. So they hushed it up. In January 1968, the arms embargo on Israel was lifted and the sale of American weapons began to flow. By 1971, Israel was buying $600 million of American-made weapons a year. Two years later the purchases topped $3 billion. Almost overnight, Israel had become the largest buyer of US-made arms and aircraft.

Perversely, the IDF’s strike on the Liberty served to weld the US and Israel together, in a kind of bizzare political and military embrace. Now, every time the IDF attacks villages in Gaza and the West Bank with F-16s and Apache helicopters, the Palestinians quite rightly see the bloody assaults as a joint operation, with the Pentagon as a hidden partner. Thus, does the legacy of the Liberty, and The International War Machine, roll on.

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2009/10/07/whos-the-threat/comment-page-1/#comment-49322 Mon, 12 Oct 2009 03:30:27 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=11589#comment-49322 Mr. Duff, a series of attacks over most a day on a clearly marked US Naval vessel is not a targeting error, especially after the US government started sending the notes through diplomatic channels.

The Israelis didn’t want any third party witnesses to what they had done and were doing.

The best equipment and weapons that the Arabs had were tied up in a conflict in Yemen. That is why it was a six-day war, and why there was absolutely no imminent threat to Israel.

It was a war of aggression to occupy more land. They wanted more lebensraum, as the Israeli leaders at that time have since admitted.

Israel paid no price for their murder, as the referenced reparations that they paid for their actions, were in fact replaced by Congressional collaborators.

Yes, everyone does it, but most have the decency to be embarrassed when caught.

Don’t try to convince someone who went to school with some of those who died on the Liberty, that there is any reason for the US to support Israel.

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By: Kryten42 https://whynow.dumka.us/2009/10/07/whos-the-threat/comment-page-1/#comment-49309 Sun, 11 Oct 2009 11:27:44 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=11589#comment-49309 I am biting my tongue Bryan! I keep repeating the mantra… ‘public blog’

Homer really is as ignorant as a baby!

In 2005, the Nobel Prize in Economic Science was awarded to Israeli mathematician and game theory specialist Robert J. Aumann, co-founder of the Center for Rationality at Hebrew University. This Jerusalem resident explains: “the entire school of thought that we have developed here in Israel” has turned “Israel into the leading authority in this field.”

merica the Mark

From a game theory perspective, what is the probability of a violent reaction in the Middle East after more than a half-century of serial Israeli provocations—in an environment where the U.S. is identified (correctly) as the Zionist state’s special friend and protector?

During the 1967 War, the Israeli killing of 34 Americans aboard the USS Liberty confirmed that a U.S. president (Democrat Lyndon Johnson) could be induced to condone murderous behavior by Israel. Two decades later, Operation Trojan confirmed that a U.S. president (Republican Ronald Reagan) could be induced to attack an Arab nation based on intelligence fixed by Israel.

For more than six decades, the U.S. has armed, financed, befriended and defended Zionism. This “special relationship” includes the U.S.-discrediting veto of dozens of U.N. resolutions critical of Israeli conduct. From a game theory perspective, how difficult was it to anticipate that—out of a worldwide population of 1.3 billion Muslims—19 Muslim men could be induced to perpetrate a murderous act in response to U.S support for Israel’s lengthy mistreatment of Arabs and Muslims, particularly Palestinians?

Israeli game theorists operate not from the Center for Morality or the Center for Justice but from the Center for Rationality. As modeled by Zionist war planners, game theory is devoid of all values except one: the ability to anticipate—within an acceptable range of probabilities—how “the mark” will react when provoked. Thus we see the force-multiplier potential for those who wage war with well-planned provocations and well-timed crises.

Israeli behavior is often immoral and unjust but that does not mean it is irrational. For Colonial Zionists committed to the pursuit of an expansionist agenda, even murderous provocations are rational because the response can be mathematically modeled, ensuring the results are reasonably foreseeable. That alone is sufficient for a people who, as God’s chosen, consider it their right to operate above the rule of law.

How Israel Wages Game Theory Warfare

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By: Kryten42 https://whynow.dumka.us/2009/10/07/whos-the-threat/comment-page-1/#comment-49308 Sun, 11 Oct 2009 09:45:36 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=11589#comment-49308 After my comment about Pollard, I got curious and did some more digging. Amazing what one can find! 😉

It seems the Isralis wanted Pollard so badly, they even tried a little extortion (I’m sure the fools will just call this normal politics). Even the Jerusalem City Council has also acted in support of Pollard, changing the name of a square near the official prime minister’s residence from Paris Square to Freedom for Jonathan Pollard Square.

At the 1998 Wye River Conference, Benjamin Netanyahu demanded Pollard’s release, and in return, he would sign an agreement with Arafat. President Clinton made a public statement about reviewing the case.

Four past directors of Naval Intelligence, William Studeman, Sumner Shapiro, John L. Butts, and Thomas Brooks, authored a response to the talk of clemency and what they termed “the myths that have arisen from this clever public relations campaign… aimed at transforming Pollard from greedy, arrogant betrayer of the American national trust into Pollard, committed Israeli patriot”.[54] They asserted that Pollard passed information to three other countries before engaging in espionage activity on behalf of Israel, and that he had offered his services to a fourth country while he was spying for Israel.[54] They continued,

“Pollard and his apologists argue he turned over to the Israelis information they were being denied that was critical to their security. The fact is, however, Pollard had no way of knowing what the Israeli government was already receiving by way of official intelligence exchange agreements… Some of the data he compromised had nothing to do with Israeli security or even with the Middle East. He betrayed worldwide intelligence data, including sources and methods developed at significant cost to the U.S. taxpayer. As a result of his perfidy, some of those sources are lost forever.”

“…Another claim Pollard made is that the U.S. government reneged on its bargain not to seek the life sentence. What is not heard is that Pollard’s part of the bargain was to cooperate fully in an assessment of the damage he had done and to refrain from talking to the press prior to the completion of his sentencing. He blatantly and contemptuously failed to live up to either part of the plea agreement… It was this coupled with the magnitude and consequences of his criminal actions that resulted in the judge imposing a life sentence… The appellate court subsequently upheld the life sentence.”

“If, as Pollard and his supporters claim, he has “suffered enough” for his crimes, he is free to apply for parole as the American judicial system provides. In his arrogance, he has refused to do so, but insists on being granted clemency or a pardon.”

Admiral Shapiro, who was himself Jewish, stated that he was troubled by the support of Jewish organizations for Pollard: “We work so hard to establish ourselves and to get where we are, and to have somebody screw it up… and then to have Jewish organizations line up behind this guy and try to make him out a hero of the Jewish people, it bothers the hell out of me”.

Eric Margolis alleges that Pollard’s spying may have led to the capture and execution of CIA spies in the Eastern Bloc after Israel sold or bartered Pollard’s information to the Soviet Union. (This wouldn’t surprise me one bit!)

Why Pollard Should Never Be Released (The Traitor) — Seymour Hersh

Steve Gilliard had a good rant about Pollard in 2005. 🙂
Free Pollard? Why not free Aldrich Ames as well

Yep! It’s soooooooooooooooo obvious that Israel is a TRUE friend of the USA!

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By: Kryten42 https://whynow.dumka.us/2009/10/07/whos-the-threat/comment-page-1/#comment-49306 Sun, 11 Oct 2009 06:33:15 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=11589#comment-49306 Oh… I should have mentioned another bunch of Israli troublemakers I had a run-in with, the Lekem. 🙂 There were supposedly dissolved (but absorbed actually) and it’s Director Rafi Eitan was forced to resigned (with a massive pension) over the exposure of Jonathan Pollard (a Texan, curiously 😉 ), who was convicted of spying for Lekem. Lekem’s brief and agenda were to steal any technology they could from the USA, UK, USSR & Japan primarily, but anywhere that had anything of interest really, even here. And they were very successful!

Israel granted Pollard citizenship in 1995, while publicly denying that he was an Israeli spy (Pollard is in a US prison on a life sentence without parole). Without Pollard (or another American, Ben-Ami Kadish) Israel wouldn’t have much of a Nuclear weapons program. 🙂 Many Israeli activist groups and even high profile Israeli politicians such as Benjamin Netanyahu, have (or are) lobbying for Pollards release. Apparently, Pollard is now a Jew. 😉 Oh, my… how anti-Semitic of me to use a Jew in a fact! :O Oh… the shame… the shame! Of course, I should know that ALL Jew’s are God-Fearing, law-abiding, 100% GOOD people! As are all Christians, and Muslims! For shame… tch, tch… there will be much clucking of tongues and wringing of hands over this!! Oh well… Such is my lot in life! 😀

😆 😆

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By: Kryten42 https://whynow.dumka.us/2009/10/07/whos-the-threat/comment-page-1/#comment-49305 Sun, 11 Oct 2009 06:09:23 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=11589#comment-49305 Thanks Bryan. 🙂 And it’s OK really. 🙂 I didn’t post all that for Homer’s edification (Simpson… Ya know… Duff. Sorry, but the image is simply firmly stuck in my mind whenever I see that name now.) Ahem… I posted it for anyone who is genuinely interested in the History, and has the intelligence to put current events into an accurate perspective. 🙂

I once had a *superior* who had a penchant for ‘reading between the lines’! After a couple time-consuming question/answer 7 clarification sessions, I began prefacing my reports with:

“This report is written with careful consideration of the English Language used, and of the structure of the words, sentences and paragraphs contained herein. Whilst some minor details and preliminary information and background information that are readily available from other appropriate documents and reports may be absent, there are no hidden meaning, no ‘reading between the lines’, no ‘wink, wink, nudge, nudge’. This document is a work of precise and accurate detail using only facts which have been rigorously checked for accuracy. The author and contributors try, with great care, to avoid assumptions and suppositions, but where these must be made, they are so noted and MEAN that they are just that! Anything that cannot be independently verified is not used in this document. If the meaning is not in black ink upon these pages, it doesn’t exist!”

My immediate boss called me after I issued that report (on certain events in the ME at the time in fact), and told me that “‘so-and-so’ called an complained that I was attacking him and every knew that comment in the preface of my report was aimed at him specifically. Is that true?” To which I dutifully replied “Of course not sir!” and he said “That’s what I thought. Good work. Continue on.” and gave me a big smile (I of course didn’t return that smile. One doesn’t of course.” 😉 Thankfully… the PITA was moved elsewhere far away from my department! People like that don’t belong in that job! They are far too dangerous, to everyone. Sadly, there are far too many people like that. Which is one of the reasons I got out of that line of work. I’m certain you understand Bryan. Sad, isn’t it?

In my work in the ME, Asia, Europe and even the USA, people might be amazed at how often some Israeli group (either Gov sanctioned or not) was behind or involved in some trouble. The Mossad (and even Shabak) were behind some atrocious trouble causing work (including, I have been led to believe, the attack on the USS Liberty, and other attacks… of which there have in fact been many, against US interests. Most simply not as obvious as the Liberty attack). The USA isn’t the only nation that has covers op’s teams causing trouble around the World. 🙂 They probably leaned from Israel actually. I know we did. 😆

Some people just love to find hidden meanings, like those people who play The Beatles Abby Road record backwards! 😆 They are a constant source of amusement. There is a difference between being paranoid because of facts and knowledge, and being paranoid because of fiction. 🙂

You and I and some others here Bryan, *know* from experience and facts that there are *bastards out there to get us*, and why that is so! We have no need to invent ambiguities and fictional events or characters. The are more than enough real ones out there to be concerned about! 🙂

Though… I do admit to occasionally throwing out a fictional bone now and then for a laugh to watch the paranoid ignoramuses howl at the moon! 😉 😀 but, not in the case above.

For the record, I thoroughly suspect anyone and everyone who uses religion to explain events, or as accusations. All who decry “You are an anti-Semite!” (or some such) rather than answer the charge with any facts, are highly suspect. History teaches with a high-degree of accuracy, that such people are not motivated by religion, but by politics and personal agenda’s. Either that, or they are just moronic fools. And there are many of both.

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2009/10/07/whos-the-threat/comment-page-1/#comment-49294 Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:24:47 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=11589#comment-49294 You are the only one who has written “hooked nosed”, and most of the rest are in historical accounts of the era in question, with the Sadducees and Pharisees not coming out looking very good in the Gospels, which are about 2000 years old.

The US-Israeli conflict started in 1967 with the attack on the USS Liberty in international waters by the Israelis and has continued clandestinely since, with occasional Israeli agents being sent to prison. Just because the US doesn’t respond, doesn’t make it less of a conflict.

Mindless support in the US government based on campaign contributions by AIPAC may hide the reality, but money is at the root. There is no strategic US interest served by the seemingly unquestioning support of Israel, so it must the campaign contributions to Congress.

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2009/10/07/whos-the-threat/comment-page-1/#comment-49292 Sat, 10 Oct 2009 17:34:11 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=11589#comment-49292 Kryten and I have both had to deal with the “problems” of the Israelis throughout the world for our governments, and we both mean one and only thing when we talk about Israel. It is about governments, and the policies of governments.

You, Mr. Duff, and apologists like you, keep trying to make this about religion to justify the crimes of a rapacious country that continues to murder the innocent and steal resources. It is the policy of the Israeli government to make this about religion, to deflect the criticism of their actions. Israel is controlled by the same money-grubbing, power hungry politicians that infest governments around the world. This class also rises to the top of most religious organizations. Money is power because it allows you to buy the people who control the power.

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