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Comments on: And The Horse They Came In On! https://whynow.dumka.us/2009/12/22/and-the-horse-they-came-in-on-2/ On-line Opinion Magazine...OK, it's a blog Wed, 23 Dec 2009 18:01:02 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.3 By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2009/12/22/and-the-horse-they-came-in-on-2/comment-page-1/#comment-50359 Wed, 23 Dec 2009 18:01:02 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=12615#comment-50359 In reply to fallenmonk.

OTOH, my red official duty passport was pretty much designed to lie from cover-to-cover. I gave that piece of fiction back to the government as soon as I was allowed to. There were excellent reasons for what was in it, but I would have not been happy to have ever been stopped while carrying it.

There’s a good chance that Georgia will decide not to go along now that there is a supposed Democrat in the White House. It will definitely cost money and slow down the process.

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By: fallenmonk https://whynow.dumka.us/2009/12/22/and-the-horse-they-came-in-on-2/comment-page-1/#comment-50358 Wed, 23 Dec 2009 17:36:29 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=12615#comment-50358 As I heard someone (DFH) say not too long ago…Let’s just get it over with and go get a government approved chip embedded in our foreheads.

It is not that bad yet in Georgia but I am just waiting for it to come since we are GOP controlled. I am in the same boat as Bryan. Multiple top secret codeword clearances, forer diplomatic passport holder, active crew on Airborne Command Posts, etc. etc. and I will still probably be required to show my cable tv bill to get my license renewed. I do have a passport though.
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By: Steve Bates https://whynow.dumka.us/2009/12/22/and-the-horse-they-came-in-on-2/comment-page-1/#comment-50354 Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:14:10 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=12615#comment-50354 I’m not in Florida, but I didn’t have to be there to experience a similar outrage on the federal level. I went in to change my physical address in USPS’s records for my post office box. I showed the clerk a copy of my application for a change of address on my Texas driver’s license. Her immediate response was so absurd I could scarcely believe it: “But you supplied them all that information. You may live there, or you may not. Show us something with your new address on, say, a bill.”

I confess I probably sighed… never a wise move… and replied, “All instances of my address, anywhere at all, were ultimately supplied by me. And at this point I haven’t lived in the new place long enough to receive any bills.”

The clerk gave me a look that could set anything on fire, stared at the application again, and said, “Well, OK, I’ll approve it. But I’m putting a note on your record that you have to supply the required identification at a later time.”

I was a state government employee for a decade, so I know it’s not something that automatically happens to government workers after some number of years… not ALL of them suddenly turn into blithering bureaucratic idiots…

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By: hipparchia https://whynow.dumka.us/2009/12/22/and-the-horse-they-came-in-on-2/comment-page-1/#comment-50352 Wed, 23 Dec 2009 09:15:37 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=12615#comment-50352 With the military, intel, law enforcement, and teaching at public college, I am one of the most investigated people on the planet, and they want me to produce a bill mailed to me by the phone company as proof. It’s demeaning.

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between being a former govt employee and doing lots of volunteer work with kids, i’ve been fingerprinted once or twice too. and yeah, the phone company msag is like totally reliable.
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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2009/12/22/and-the-horse-they-came-in-on-2/comment-page-1/#comment-50351 Wed, 23 Dec 2009 05:41:23 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=12615#comment-50351 In reply to Jack K., the Grumpy Forester.

How about the multiple state and local employees who have never been part of the Social Security System, something that is very common in Florida.

I have no idea what some of the people in the small rural counties are going to do, because many people are still born at home, and family Bibles are the only records of their birth. A lot of them have boxes at small local post offices for a mailing address, because there is no local delivery, and situation that is very common in upstate New York.

This isn’t workable. It is going to obscenely expensive and extremely unpopular. The people who work in the driver’s license offices will be going nuts. They will be subject to unbelievable stress over this, as people get frustrated.

I’m just going to rant, and remind my neighbors that the Republicans did this to them at the national and state level.

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By: Jack K., the Grumpy Forester https://whynow.dumka.us/2009/12/22/and-the-horse-they-came-in-on-2/comment-page-1/#comment-50350 Wed, 23 Dec 2009 05:29:00 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=12615#comment-50350 …on the other hand, you could live in one of those renegade states like mine, where a legislative refusal to buy in all the way on Real ID means that we constantly live with the prospect of not being able to board a commercial flight or even – and I am actually really, really longing for the drama of this particular moment – get into the very Federal buildings that employ some of us, all because of our state’s failure to be good little Bushie-boys and knuckle under to the unfunded Real ID mandate…

I was actually kind of hoping that Orygun would go all in on that whole Real ID thing, mostly because I longed for the opportunity to sit quietly in a corner of the local DMV office on my lunch break watching the parade of 80-something 4th-generation ranchers deal with the brutal reality of the ‘proof of existence’ nightmare that the Republican party they and their ancestors had so stalwartly voted for over all those generations has visited on them…
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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2009/12/22/and-the-horse-they-came-in-on-2/comment-page-1/#comment-50349 Wed, 23 Dec 2009 05:20:10 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=12615#comment-50349 In reply to Kryten42.

I didn’t put up with all that crap in the military to see the US adopt internal passports, which is essentially what this Real ID system is all about. The thing that really POs me, is that I am one of the most verified and identified people in this country, if these people had access to any reasonable law enforcement data base network. Typing in my name should set off bells and buzzers and spit out a gazillion copies of my fingerprints from a dozen state and local agencies.

With the military, intel, law enforcement, and teaching at public college, I am one of the most investigated people on the planet, and they want me to produce a bill mailed to me by the phone company as proof. It’s demeaning.

This will probably go on for a year, and then they’ll cancel the entire thing because of the expense and screams of annoyance.

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By: hipparchia https://whynow.dumka.us/2009/12/22/and-the-horse-they-came-in-on-2/comment-page-1/#comment-50348 Wed, 23 Dec 2009 05:01:59 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=12615#comment-50348 nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah !!!!!

i renewed mine just before all this went into effect. i don’t have a passport [never have] and the building where my original birth certificate was stored burned down more than 40 years ago. and yeah, paperless billing. i do still get christmas cards by snail mail though…

and proof of address… given the state of the economy, we’re likely to have even more people living in their cars too.
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By: Kryten42 https://whynow.dumka.us/2009/12/22/and-the-horse-they-came-in-on-2/comment-page-1/#comment-50347 Wed, 23 Dec 2009 04:49:18 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=12615#comment-50347 Yeah! It really sux! And it only inconvenience honest people and stupid crooks! The smart crooks know how and where to get fake ID that can pass a hard look at most places it’s required.

It why I keep my security license current. Because it’s a police vetted photo ID, it’s worth 120 points, and most places that require ID need 100 to 150 points (150 is max and needed to get things like passports etc). It’s also very handy when some smart-ass in a store etc wants to cause trouble. πŸ˜‰ My ID trumps most of the usual rent-a-cops, since I have ‘Control Operations’ and’ Coordinator’ qual’s, with anti-terrorism (Griffin Coordinator), with unarmed and weapons ratings added for good measure (our licenses list all the qualifications, and are color coded). People tend to become very polite when I show my license. πŸ˜‰

It’s kinda crazy actually. I have tried since about 2006 to get them to drop the weapons rating off my license, and have not gone for refresher or rectification of any weapons in well over a decade. I was told that because I had been highly trained and considered dangerous with a weapon, they add it whether I am currently certified or not, just in case. *shrug*

Bureaucracies… *sigh*

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