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Comments on: What A Maroon! https://whynow.dumka.us/2010/11/29/what-a-maroon-2/ On-line Opinion Magazine...OK, it's a blog Fri, 03 Dec 2010 05:57:24 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.3 By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2010/11/29/what-a-maroon-2/comment-page-1/#comment-54417 Fri, 03 Dec 2010 05:57:24 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=18030#comment-54417 There are so many problems with this mess, and one of the big ones is the total lack of real security or accountability on the US “secure” network.

The majority of this stuff isn’t classified, and the overwhelming majority of what is classified, is at the lowest level of classification. As for the tiny minority that is more “highly classified”, much of it shouldn’t have been classified in the first place, because it is embarrassing, not a matter of national security.

I’m still waiting to see something that I didn’t already know, although, as I have said before, it’s nice to know that people in government have actually figured some of these things out. The public statements make the US look like “maroons” – totally divorced from reality.

I’ve seen nothing to convince me that the classification system is not being used to hide information from the American people, rather than “enemies”.

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By: Kryten42 https://whynow.dumka.us/2010/11/29/what-a-maroon-2/comment-page-1/#comment-54415 Fri, 03 Dec 2010 04:30:10 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=18030#comment-54415 Well, the USA has lot’s of *allies*… so long as the money doesn’t run out! 😉 😀 Of course, once-upon-a-time, the USA had *real* allies that actually respected the USA. Aus is still an official ally, but that has more to do with political & economic convenience than a ‘want’ to be an ally. However, that is changing also. The USA squandered it’s political and good-will capital some time ago.

It’s quite interesting reading the various comments and the debate that this massive info dump has generated. 🙂 And I see that, as usual, a couple facts about it are being willfully ignored in the USA. One is that various news outlets around the World were given access to some of the documents wekks in advance of the disclosure, including The Guardian (UK) and NYT (via The Guardian). Wikileaks sent copies to the Obama admin & US Ambassador’s in the UK (with an offer to negotiate some limited redaction) to which the State Demanded that there would be no negotiation and all documents must be handed over, or else. Of course, it presented a perfect opportunity for feigned outrage when the leaks were finally released (feigned because they knew they were going to be released weeks in advance) and served to deflect attention to more serious concerns at home (in the USA) such as GOP blocking the extension of Unemployment benefits, and the Senate essentially holding the Government and US citizens hostage to neocon demands.

Americans have always been fascinated with superficiality and smoke-and-mirror tricks. The price the people will pay now will be huge.

ABC “The DRUM” has a couple interesting commentaries:

WikiLeaks and the ‘Handy Heel’ manoeuvre
WikiLeaks: catalyst for transparency or lockdown?

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2010/11/29/what-a-maroon-2/comment-page-1/#comment-54376 Wed, 01 Dec 2010 18:04:30 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=18030#comment-54376 The US has allies? Who knew? I’m fairly sure that the Shrubbery eliminated that encumbrance.

The US is still a client of the Israeli government, but actual allies? I don’t think so.

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By: Kryten42 https://whynow.dumka.us/2010/11/29/what-a-maroon-2/comment-page-1/#comment-54370 Wed, 01 Dec 2010 13:37:40 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=18030#comment-54370 Ohhh… but it get’s better and better every day! LMAO ROFL

Bush Speechwriter Marc Thiessen Suggests Invading U.S.-Allied Nations To Capture WikiLeaks Founder

This is better than TDS!! (With apologies to Jon Stewart). 😆

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2010/11/29/what-a-maroon-2/comment-page-1/#comment-54352 Tue, 30 Nov 2010 22:14:18 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=18030#comment-54352 These people just can’t get over the reality that the US does not control the Internet. Wikileaks is designed to route around problems like censorship. They are still pushing the concept that some lowly enlisted type in the Army leaked all of this stuff. If that guy had access to all of these documents it is time to retire a few generals for a total failure in communications security.

I don’t hear the calls to jail the publisher of the New York Times, an American corporation, located on US soil, selling to US citizens.

I guess we can assume that all of this stuff is real, as the government apparently hasn’t learned to inject doubt by refusing to discuss the documents.

Jams, the Chinese value stability very highly. They really don’t like disruption, and North Korea is disruptive and not playing by the rules for client states. Everyone is leaning on China to do something, and Kim Jong-il isn’t cooperating. China is also undergoing a shift in leadership, so they are dealing with internal uncertainties right now. The Party doesn’t like “interesting times”. That said, until the new leadership is established, it will be hard to know what the policy will be.

I’m wondering how these charges will be filed, since the Hedgemony spent years limiting the powers of the US courts outside the US. If the US courts don’t have power at Guantanamo, a US military facility, how can they have power over a guy with no fixed address, operating a web site on servers dispersed around the world. Peter King was one of the people who supported the Hedgemony, so maybe he would like to explain how this is supposed to work.

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By: Badtux https://whynow.dumka.us/2010/11/29/what-a-maroon-2/comment-page-1/#comment-54350 Tue, 30 Nov 2010 18:35:18 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=18030#comment-54350 Let’s see. A foreign citizen, in a foreign country, receives documents from a U.S. citizen and publishes them on the World Wide Web. Said foreign citizen is not in the United States, has not been in the United States for quite some time because he fears being arrested (for good reason), is not under the jurisdiction of the United States and thus not subject to U.S. laws even if they were applicable to this situation and… err… yeah, I realize that some folks think Australia is, like, the 52nd state of the United States, except with kangaroos, but … definitely ROFL territory :).

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By: jams o donnell https://whynow.dumka.us/2010/11/29/what-a-maroon-2/comment-page-1/#comment-54349 Tue, 30 Nov 2010 18:05:53 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=18030#comment-54349 What an idiot. There is a lot to embarrass in the leaks but little that really surprises. The info concerning China’s views on Korea are interesting though

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By: Kryten42 https://whynow.dumka.us/2010/11/29/what-a-maroon-2/comment-page-1/#comment-54348 Tue, 30 Nov 2010 17:02:15 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=18030#comment-54348 LOL WaPo seems to think that Julian Assange could be charged under the ‘Espionage Act’! LMAO Ummm… no… no he can’t! Talk about maroons!! Big, bright ones! 😆

WikiLeaks founder could be charged under Espionage Act

Ahhh… This whole thing is the best laugh I’ve had in day’s! 😆

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By: Kryten42 https://whynow.dumka.us/2010/11/29/what-a-maroon-2/comment-page-1/#comment-54343 Tue, 30 Nov 2010 14:16:25 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=18030#comment-54343 I love the Wikileaks boys! Go Aussies! 😀 😆 They’ve been around for quite awhile. But the USA has always been a bit on the slow side to catch on (even when their noses are firmly rubbed in it!) 😉 😛

I knew about them whilst I was a card-carrying Amnesty International Human Rights Defender causing as much trouble to those who deserved as as could until a few years or so ago. I still do stuff for AI, but I’m out of the field stuff these days (Hey, what else could someone with my background do *legally* in ‘Civilian World’. 😉 *shrug*. Anyway, I did get a notification that WikiLeaks had won the 2009 Amnesty International human rights reporting award (New Media). They have won other awards also. 🙂

There are a couple seriously big expose’s coming, they are just warming up! Some peep’s in WDC are gonna need a few set’s of spare panties, and some a defib handy! 😈

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2010/11/29/what-a-maroon-2/comment-page-1/#comment-54340 Tue, 30 Nov 2010 06:40:03 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=18030#comment-54340 In reply to cookiejill.

There are questions being raised in the Irish Senate about bank regulation, and the British have discovered that auditors were told to ignore problems by the government, to avoid problems with “confidence” concerning banks.

It will be interesting to see if the media will cover the Bankster leaks.

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