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Comments on: Egypt https://whynow.dumka.us/2011/01/28/egypt/ On-line Opinion Magazine...OK, it's a blog Sat, 29 Jan 2011 05:42:17 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.3 By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2011/01/28/egypt/comment-page-1/#comment-55237 Sat, 29 Jan 2011 05:42:17 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=18709#comment-55237 In reply to Badtux.

I don’t think it makes any difference if the end product is secular or religious, the US supported Mubarak for 30 years, and Mubarak is the problem. A problem for the Islamist is the fact that the Muslim Brotherhood waited so long to join the protests, apparently stung by Elbaradei’s return. They have been on a very short leash under Mubarak, and that may hurt their credibility.

The worse case is if Israel does something stupid, then the defecation will definitely impact the ventilation.

There is nothing the US can do that will make things better, and the best option at this point is to be seen as doing nothing. Bland statements about “this is an Egyptian problem, that Egyptians will solve in their own way” is a better stance than seeming to support anything or anyone. Alas, the Republicans will be spouting off, probably on all of the Sunday talk shows, about supporting Mubarak and his importance to Israel.

I think that Gamal should take the family on “vacation” and reserve a room for his “Dad”, because people have overcome the “fear barrier” and they aren’t likely to come down from the “adrenalin rush” quickly. Once you make the decision that chancing death is a better option than the status quo, you aren’t going to be bought off cheaply.

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By: Badtux https://whynow.dumka.us/2011/01/28/egypt/comment-page-1/#comment-55236 Sat, 29 Jan 2011 04:18:47 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=18709#comment-55236 Unfortunately what I am thinking is that we are leading up to a Jimmy Carter moment for the failed Obama presidency. Jimmy Carter threw the Shah of Iran under the bus like Obama has thrown Mubarak under the bus, but that wasn’t enough given the many crimes and atrocities which the U.S. had funded under the Shah’s regime. We’re giving more money to Mubarak *per year* than the Shah got during the entire time of our support for him… and the folks who take over, whoever they end up being, are as likely to be friendly to the U.S. as the Iranians were after they kicked out the Shah.

Sunni Islam is not organized like Shia Islam (they’re like the Baptists to the Shia’s Catholics, organization-wise, i.e., every mosque is at least nominally independent and answers to no central authority other than Allah Himself), so we aren’t going to see direct rule by mullahs. But the Islamists are currently the only force in the Middle East that has any credibility, everybody else is viewed either as hopeless idealists or as pawns of the West. My guess is that we’re going to end up with a hostile regime in Egypt and that Preznit Hopey Changey is gonna deal with it about as well as he has dealt with every other crisis during his Presidency — i.e., he’s going to make a great speech, and that’s pretty much it. He makes Jimmy Carter look practically competent, yo….

— Badtux the WASF Penguin

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2011/01/28/egypt/comment-page-1/#comment-55231 Sat, 29 Jan 2011 01:36:43 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=18709#comment-55231 It isn’t going to be easy to find out what people want beyond Mubarak gone and new elections. Those seem to be the basic points that everyone agrees on. Elections are great, but who will run? Who will be in charge until the elections happen? Will whoever that is put in charge willingly give up power to those who are elected?

As the Paris Commune found out, getting rid of a government is easy, but then you have to govern.

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By: jams o donnell https://whynow.dumka.us/2011/01/28/egypt/comment-page-1/#comment-55229 Fri, 28 Jan 2011 23:48:23 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=18709#comment-55229 This has all been quite a surprise. I hope that the protests bring something better and not just a different set of corrupt scumbags at the top.

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