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Comments on: US Debt – Attacks On ‘Entitlements’ https://whynow.dumka.us/2011/04/16/us-debt-attacks-on-entitlements/ On-line Opinion Magazine...OK, it's a blog Wed, 20 Apr 2011 00:17:18 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.3 By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2011/04/16/us-debt-attacks-on-entitlements/comment-page-1/#comment-56069 Wed, 20 Apr 2011 00:17:18 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=20076#comment-56069 Actually, Badtux, I expect the Bond Vigilantes will show up at the next Treasury auction armed to the teeth and demand to be sold $10K bonds for $11K. It is getting absurd.

It would be nice to see an interest rate above 2% on a bank CD.

BTW, Mr. Duff, Moody and Poor knocked Japan’s rating down to nothing, and it had no effect on their ability to sell bonds. Argentina defaulted, and they can borrow whatever they think they want.

It is only the poor schlubs like Ireland and Greece who bought into the lure of the Euro, who have have problems selling bonds. They sold their souls to the European Central Bank and are paying the price.

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By: Badtux https://whynow.dumka.us/2011/04/16/us-debt-attacks-on-entitlements/comment-page-1/#comment-56068 Tue, 19 Apr 2011 23:02:38 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=20076#comment-56068 Bill Gross is moving out of Treasuries because he was betting on interest rates on Treasuries going up, and instead they stayed constant. Can’t make any money on that if you’re a Wall Street speculator who makes your living by gambling on interest rates rather than on providing any useful good or service. If you are, however, looking for a long-term investment that’s guaranteed to be paid back thanks to that marvelous invention the printing press, it’s hard to beat Treasuries.

BTW, here’s the interest rates those evil bond vigilantes are forcing upon the United States Treasury, as of the last Treasury auction:

Treasury securities
This week Month ago Year ago
One-Year Treasury Constant Maturity 0.24 0.23 0.44
91-day T-bill auction avg disc rate 0.060 0.095 0.145
182-day T-bill auction avg disc rate 0.110 0.150 0.220
Two-Year Treasury Constant Maturity 0.77 0.61 1.05
Five-Year Treasury Constant Maturity 2.22 1.95 2.57
Ten-Year Treasury Constant Maturity 3.51 3.29 3.85
One-Year CMT (Monthly) 0.26 0.29 0.40
One-Year MTA 0.295 0.307 0.421

Looks like ten-year Treasuries and five-year Treasuries are the best bet right now. But interest rates on *all* Treasuries are lower today than they were a year ago.

Yeah, those bond vigilantes are really rampin’ up, eh? 😈

– Badtux the Snarky Penguin

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2011/04/16/us-debt-attacks-on-entitlements/comment-page-1/#comment-56067 Tue, 19 Apr 2011 20:01:41 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=20076#comment-56067 Pimco needs to make money, and you can’t make money on US Treasury bonds because the interest rate is so low, and is, in fact, negative on short term bonds. With people paying the US to sell them bonds, borrowing is not a problem for the US government, it is a problem for people trying to make money on bonds.

People are hoarding US Treasury bonds the same way they are hoarding gold, but you would understand that if you had bothered to look at the “paradox of thrift”, which explains that everyone is hoarding.

Another thing you don’t know is that you need some inflation to convince people to spend money. At the moment investors expect deflation, so they are spending. If they expect inflation, they will spend now to maximize the value of their money.

It is all basic stuff that was known decades ago, before politicians assumed they could reshape economics with ideology.

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2011/04/16/us-debt-attacks-on-entitlements/comment-page-1/#comment-56064 Tue, 19 Apr 2011 17:09:01 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=20076#comment-56064 Enough is enough, Mr. Duff.

If you want to know what is going on in the economy and why austerity is an incredibly stupid thing to do at this point, in this economy, in this universe, look at the meaning of: paradox of thrift, fallacy of composition, liquidity trap, zero lower bound, and aggregate demand.

When business is sitting on a couple of trillion dollars in cash and no one is borrowing with interest rates near zero, the economy won’t move. No one is going to invest or spend until they see an increase in demand. Until there are jobs, there will be no increase in demand.

Oil prices have soared, and demand for oil has tanked, because people won’t spend the money.

The only way to break the cycle is for a major increase in demand, and the only entity capable of generating that demand is national government of a country with a fiat currency.

I hope you like recessions, but the UK is about to have another one because of the austerians.

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By: Badtux https://whynow.dumka.us/2011/04/16/us-debt-attacks-on-entitlements/comment-page-1/#comment-56059 Tue, 19 Apr 2011 16:25:34 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=20076#comment-56059 Wow, I just learned that GOVERNMENT BONDS ARE MADE OUT OF OIL in the DufferUniverse! Wow, thanks for that enlightenment! Of course, that has nothing to do with the issue of sovereign default in THIS universe, where government bonds are made out of 0’s and 1’s in a bank computer somewhere (or optionally printed onto paper), not oil, but what the hey, it’s always entertaining to get glimpses into that strange, bizarre fantasy universe that conservatives live in.

BTW, the world economy is $74T or so, of which roughly half is dollarized either explicitly or implicitly. Printing $2T/year to purchase *every* U.S. Treasury bond that expires in a year would result in a 5.4% global inflation rate in the Dollarzone — not desirable, but hardly Weimar-worthy. Of course, the notion that the Federal Reserve would have to purchase *every* U.S. Treasury bond that expires in a year in order to prevent sovereign default is laughable, they’d simply have to purchase sufficient bonds to make it clear they *could* do so and thus drive the interest rates back down to reasonable levels, but that just makes the Dufferverse even more unrealistic compared to the real universe that the rest of us live in…

– Badtux the Snarky Economics Penguin

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By: Badtux https://whynow.dumka.us/2011/04/16/us-debt-attacks-on-entitlements/comment-page-1/#comment-56048 Tue, 19 Apr 2011 00:36:13 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=20076#comment-56048 So in S&P and Duffer’s world, bundled liar loans are investment-grade securities, the U.S. could possibly not be able to pay off its dollar-denominated debts because the Federal Reserve has a limited number of 0’s and 1’s available to transfer into people’s bank accounts as freshly printed money, and unicorns are pink. At least, I think they’re pink, they would have to be, since elephants are pink in that universe.

Not in this universe, of course. But conservatives (and S&P) don’t live in this universe, they live in an imaginary one of their own making, where wishful thinking substitutes for facts and talking points substitute for thought. Because, y’know, facts have a liberal bias :twisted:.

– Badtux the Snarky Penguin

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2011/04/16/us-debt-attacks-on-entitlements/comment-page-1/#comment-56046 Mon, 18 Apr 2011 17:16:31 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=20076#comment-56046 Mr. Duff, the US has a sovereign fiat currency which means it can never run out of money and doesn’t need to borrow to pay its debts, which are denominated in that currency. The same is true of the UK in general terms.

Standard & Poors rated the junk bonds based on mortgage securities as investment grade and currently has less credibility than you do with anyone seriously involved with the real world.

The UK spends less than half as much as the US for health care per capita and gets the same or better results. Why should the US pay more than twice what you do – to give huge salaries to insurance executives?

You are entitled to your opinion, but you don’t get your own facts.

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By: Badtux https://whynow.dumka.us/2011/04/16/us-debt-attacks-on-entitlements/comment-page-1/#comment-56043 Mon, 18 Apr 2011 15:41:28 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=20076#comment-56043 The easiest way to reduce spending would be socialist medicine like the NHS. Socialist medicine is where the doctors are government employees and the hospitals are owned by the government. Think the VA hospital system extended nationwide. Every nation with a true socialist healthcare system has healthcare spending under 10% of GDP, as vs. over 18% of GDP like in the US, and has mortality rates that are similar to that of Americans of European descent. Whenever someone whines about the NHS I point out, “where are the dead bodies?” because the UK’s mortality rates from major illnesses are virtually identical to those of Americans of European descent (note that I’m talking about *mortality* rates, not the bogus “survival rates” often thrown about, because the UK doesn’t bother diagnosing things where having the diagnosis makes no difference in overall mortality rates and thus “survival rates” are not directly comparable).

But even at a combined 38% for pensions, Medicare, and general government spending, the U.S. is far from being at a level of unsustainability. The Scandinavians ran over 50% of GDP as government spending for decades and as far as I can tell nothing bad has happened to them other than long life, gorgeous modern cities, lots of mobile phones, and a surplus of beautiful women (hmm…..). Clearly, though, health care spending has to be reined in or it’ll keep consuming more and more of GDP, and since Medicare/Medicaid/other govt programs is 50% of healthcare spending, that goes directly to the bottom line… but Bryan already pointed out at least one way to do that, and the PelosiReidRomneyCare(*) bill has two other cost control items in it (comparative effectiveness studies to see what treatments really work and which are just a drag on the Medicare budget, and chopping the Medicare Advantage pork to be closer to the true cost of providing healthcare rather than a giveaway to private healthcare providers).

BTW, I notice that Mr. Duff hasn’t told us which granny he wants thrown under the bus in order to save on Medicare costs… he certainly hasn’t told us any *other* way he would save on Medicare costs other than throwing Granny under the bus. Funny how that works, eh?

– Badtux the Numbers Penguin
(*)I call it the PelosiReidRomneyCare bill because Obama had nothing to do with its fashioning and it more resembles Mitt Romney’s Massachusetts RomneyCare system than anything Obama proposed during his campaign.

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2011/04/16/us-debt-attacks-on-entitlements/comment-page-1/#comment-56037 Mon, 18 Apr 2011 05:37:36 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=20076#comment-56037 In reply to Badtux.

They want to shift the burden from income taxes to withholding taxes, and default on the Social Security Trust Fund. That has been the plan since they started talking about “privatizing Social Security”. If Wall Street can’t steal the money one way, they’ll try another. They always go for the pension funds.

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By: Badtux https://whynow.dumka.us/2011/04/16/us-debt-attacks-on-entitlements/comment-page-1/#comment-56036 Mon, 18 Apr 2011 04:46:25 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=20076#comment-56036 Okay, I just added up the numbers on my blog. WITHOUT the increases in Social Security since 1950, and WITHOUT Medicare/Medicaid, U.S. spending at all levels of government is virtually identical to 1950. In short, it’s worse than I stated above: not only are the Soylent Green Conservatives proposing to eliminate health care for seniors to reduce spending to 1950 levels, they’re also fundamentally proposing (with their “excess spending” rhetoric) to virtually eliminate *retirement pensions* for elders. I thought I was being hyperbolic with that “report to your local Soylent Green factory for processing at age 65, citizen” stuff about conservatives viewing elders as surplus property that needs to be liquidated. But turns out I wasn’t far wrong about what conservative spending proposals are *really* proposing…

– Badtux the Numbers Penguin

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