Comments on: The Law Means What It Says

By: Bryan

Bryan — Tue, 18 Oct 2011 17:45:50 +0000

A veteran cop once gave us rookies a piece of great advice – if you want to seriously get your butt kicked, arrest an innocent man.

Everyone you arrest claims that they didn’t do anything, but the truly innocent are powered by righteous indignation, and you will really have a fight on your hands and major embarrassment when you have to ‘unarrest’ someone.

That woman had the righteous indignation rising, and I see a law suit coming. The guy in the sweatshirt is IDed as an undercover cop, but I didn’t hear him ID himself, and didn’t see a badge, so that’s an error that makes the ‘resisting arrest’ charge against the woman even flakier than it was.

This whole response is FUBAR.

By: Badtux

Badtux — Tue, 18 Oct 2011 07:16:30 +0000

I’m glad I’m not the only one who is baffled by arresting a woman for trespassing on a public sidewalk. That’s one of those things where I’m, like, “WTF?”. I don’t know about the NYC code, last time I had to handle this sort of situation from the viewpoint of a business owner was in Louisiana and the code was a misdemeanor trespass called “Remaining after being forbidden” (that is, if you asked the person to leave and they refused, the cops could be called to haul them off). I can certainly understand a bank branch manager blanching at a bunch of protesters entering his (or more often her) branch and deciding that the branch was closing early and demanding that they leave because the branch was now closed, and calling the cops if they didn’t leave. Bank branch managers just aren’t paid enough to deal with that kind of thing, they’re 99%ers too (thus why so many of them are women — this is a “pink ghetto” of the banking industry that women get promoted into in order to inflate the number of female managers in order to head off sexual discrimination lawsuits). But that doesn’t explain why the cops arrested a woman who clearly was *not* in the bank and thus couldn’t possibly be trespassing after being forbidden. It appears her crime was dissent, and Ayatollah Bloomberg can no more tolerate that than Ayatollah Khamenei. At least our dissidents don’t get stoned or hung, but still… does Bloomers *really* want to invite the comparisons with the situation in Iran, where the arrest of political dissidents is a routine thing? If so, he’s doin’ it right!

All in all, just baffling. Of course, the apologists for fascism are out in force, saying that anybody who dares dissent should be arrested and beaten, but (shrug). Not much to say about that. I just wish I had time to pay more attention to the details of what’s happening in New York City and elsewhere, but I’ve been busier than a one-legged kicker at a field goal contest, and just can’t do it justice…

– Badtux the Baffled Penguin

By: Bryan

Bryan — Tue, 18 Oct 2011 05:27:13 +0000

In reply to Kryten42.

The real ‘enemy’ has been identified and people see the truth in the statement that the 1% created this mess and they aren’t being held accountable. That’s what has everyone PO’ed, they did it and got bailout, and have been allowed to continue as if nothing happened while the rest of us are in real trouble.’

The only place they paid a price was in Iceland, and Europe is having a hissy fit because the people of Iceland refused to bail them out. Iceland charged them and sent them to jail.

Now, Europe is looking at having to bail out their big banks because of the problems in Greece, Italy, Spain, Ireland, etc. The people want some justice. They want to see bankers going to prison if they can’t see heads roll. They don’t want their money to be spent on the 1% – the people who caused this mess.

Australia, at least, doesn’t have a member of the 1% in charge, like Italy, and NYC, and a lot of other places. Your finance minister seems to have his head screwed on straight, unlike the US, UK, and much of the so-called ‘first world’.

The police response is really pissing me off, because it isn’t they way things are supposed to happen. They are supposed to be keeping the peace, not trying to start riots. This stinks of ‘privilege’, which literally means ‘private law’. The 1% are determining what the law is, and who is punished. That is bullshit, and needs to end.

People are really waking up to reality, because it is obvious that the people who started Occupy Wall Street are right – the financial industry is the problem, and until that problem is solved, nothing will improve. That’s why it has gone global, because the problems they caused are global.

It is amazing that all it really took was a group of dedicated people to make a stand, and to point out the obvious. People knew this, but they didn’t want to be the first to say it out loud. The big thing is that the movement is made up of ordinary people who aren’t on anybody’s rolodex, and they refuse to identify with any political faction. They don’t care who fixes the problem, as long as it’s fixed.

By: Kryten42

Kryten42 — Tue, 18 Oct 2011 04:14:10 +0000

Oh! This one is a good resource because it updates daily and provides highlights and lot's of links: (Updated Oct. 18) Occupy Wall Street inspires global protests against the '1%' (activist reports, videos, pics) Even MSNBC are reporting on the Global protests: Protesters plan to 'Occupy' London, Rome, Auckland "Organizers aim for demonstrations in 951 cities in Europe, America's, Asia and Africa". BTW, I think you are correct Bryan. Especially about the NYPD (which you would of course understand more about than most of us). Even Jon Stewart thinks so. ;) :D

By: Kryten42

Kryten42 — Tue, 18 Oct 2011 04:05:09 +0000

This is growing like a wildfire. It can't be stopped now, it's growing rapidly around the World. And moron's like the NYPD (and not talking about the real Cop's on the street, the 'white shirts' as you aptly call them. It's appropriate... has echoes of 'brown shirts' from the 30's) are only fueling the fire. It's typical of the 'powers that be', they have zero understanding of such things, and all they know about history is their balance sheet from last month. There is a website now called 'Why we protest', this is their forum for Global Protest Planning Reading the posts, you can see the growing urgency, excitement, and the will to do. This isn't going away any time soon. Reuters has an article on the Globalization of the protests: Wall Street protests go global; riots in Rome And our own SMH (Sydney Morning Herald) yesterday (I post this because it includes a lot of images): Global protests increase heat on political leaders Watching all this develop, I feel pleased. :) I've smiled for the first time in quite awhile. I think the 'Global Consciousness' has finally been awakened and people have had more than enough. Where this will end, I don't know. But it's something. I warned about this coming years ago. It took a bit longer than I'd hoped, but still, I saw it. It really was inevitable. ;) :) Well, this is the first time I've been somewhat *active* on any topic here. Feels nice! :D Though I still have issues with Internet access (and other *stuff*).

By: Bryan

Bryan — Mon, 17 Oct 2011 18:24:12 +0000

The militarization of the police forces of the West as a result of the “Global War On Terror” is extremely damaging to the social contract. They are no longer seen as necessary to keep the peace, but as an impediment to peace and free speech.

If you suppress the expression of anger, it builds until it explodes.

At this point I’m convinced that the reason we are seeing so many ‘white shirts’ at these events is that they don’t trust the regular officers to carry out their program. The NYPD may be fracturing internally.

By: jams o donnell

jams o donnell — Mon, 17 Oct 2011 12:10:01 +0000

I saw the citibank vid yesterday and I was appalled. THe protestors certainly appeared peaceful and that female customer. I hope sues for wrongful arrest.

I can’t believe how bloody stupid the NYPD are being. They are utterly unprofessional (at best). I give thanks that the Met are different… Oh wait, I think the family of Ian Tomlinson would disagree with that statement