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Comments on: Has Pike Peaked? https://whynow.dumka.us/2011/11/20/has-pike-peaked/ On-line Opinion Magazine...OK, it's a blog Mon, 21 Nov 2011 19:27:50 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.3 By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2011/11/20/has-pike-peaked/comment-page-1/#comment-58394 Mon, 21 Nov 2011 19:27:50 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=23682#comment-58394 This morning Pike’s boss was ‘invited to take time off’, a probable reaction to the UC President’s remarks about the long history of protests by students that is part of the UC system, and should be accommodated.

The photo of Pike spraying the students has appeared on the front page of the Iran Daily, the English language version of a house organ in Iran. The Egyptians are using the tactics of the NYPD and UC police to justify their tactics, making the civil rights credibility of the US lower than whale manure. Homeland Security is certainly helping our foreign policy goals ؟

Kryten, the only award Pike is apt to get, other than the ‘Bull’ Connor award, will probably be from the Egyptian military, the King of Bahrain, or Ahmadinejad, but he will probably keep his job if it is in the policy manual.

Suzan, it is becoming obvious that Homeland Security played a big part in the reaction to OWS, and that sound you hear is the US ‘moral authority’ circling the drain.

You are probably right, Badtux. You always hope that things are better somewhere outside of your current location. This stuff is implemented ‘under the radar’, so people don’t know it is happening until there is a blow-up.

Jams, those of us who live here didn’t know it was the policy. We should have suspected something like it under the rule of the Shrubbery, but it wasn’t confirmed. You have to be inside the system to find out about these policy changes.

Dave, if it is in the policy manual, Pike can’t be touched. He can be encouraged to find another position, but he can’t simply be fired if the department approved the policy. I seriously doubt he could pass the fitness requirements of my old department, but they may not exist at UC Davis.

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By: Dave https://whynow.dumka.us/2011/11/20/has-pike-peaked/comment-page-1/#comment-58393 Mon, 21 Nov 2011 17:33:11 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=23682#comment-58393 As I’ve stated several times recently, the guy doing the spraying is a LARD ASS DESK JOCKEY who is in charge of the Records Unit. He is trying to prove his “Street Creeds” to the junior officers present. The Lard Ass should be stripped of his pension rights, fired and barred from EVER serving as a sworn officer again including being a rent-a-cop or night watchman at the hog killing shed at a meat packing plant.

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By: jams o donnell https://whynow.dumka.us/2011/11/20/has-pike-peaked/comment-page-1/#comment-58392 Mon, 21 Nov 2011 15:51:55 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=23682#comment-58392 I cannot believe that spraying passive protestors could be an accepted procedure. It makes absolutely no sense. Then again from the actions of US police departments over the last couple of months little would surprise me

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By: Badtux https://whynow.dumka.us/2011/11/20/has-pike-peaked/comment-page-1/#comment-58391 Mon, 21 Nov 2011 15:41:21 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=23682#comment-58391 If this is policy, the country is insane.

You’re just now noticing this? I suppose living in Fundistan you could get the impression that the rest of the country was more sane than your location. I’d that same hope when I lived in Fundistan. But by and large, it isn’t. The pathology differs from place to place, but in general the typical American isn’t much different from in Fundistan — ignorant, filled with bitterness and bile and hate towards anybody not like them, and possessed of a viciousness towards even his fellow Americans that Saddam Hussein would have nodded approvingly about. As I’ve pointed out on my blog, Americans never solve a problem if not-solving the problem gives them an opportunity to be vicious towards their fellow Americans. Sad, but true.

– Badtux the Bummed Penguin

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By: Suzan https://whynow.dumka.us/2011/11/20/has-pike-peaked/comment-page-1/#comment-58390 Mon, 21 Nov 2011 14:40:44 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=23682#comment-58390 Considering how we look already to the international community via our foreign policy, the latest “exciting” adventures in fascism just about sews up our rep.

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By: Kryten42 https://whynow.dumka.us/2011/11/20/has-pike-peaked/comment-page-1/#comment-58389 Mon, 21 Nov 2011 12:56:46 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=23682#comment-58389 Oh… and BTW, nothing will happen to Pike. He may even get a bravery citation or some such. Of course, they are only worthless paper. Citations and awards lost any positive meaning long ago.

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By: Kryten42 https://whynow.dumka.us/2011/11/20/has-pike-peaked/comment-page-1/#comment-58388 Mon, 21 Nov 2011 12:53:48 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=23682#comment-58388 This is getting a lot of airtime here. Most TV news services showed the video of Pike walking along a line of students kneeling with their hands behind their heads, whilst he was pepper spraying their faces. Lot of anger here over this. It’s getting airtime ahead of the QUANTAS employee and Nurses demands and strike threats, which are pretty big deals here right now.

Just confirms what I’ve known for decades. *shrug*

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2011/11/20/has-pike-peaked/comment-page-1/#comment-58387 Mon, 21 Nov 2011 07:03:46 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=23682#comment-58387 If the union lawyer can show that it is policy, Pike gets to stay.

If this is policy, the country is insane. The WTO problem was with the Black Bloc, and if the cops can’t identify the Bloc they need to find another line of work. Of course the problem is exacerbated by the number of police agents in the Black Bloc.

The UC President seems to understand that students are more than simply citizens, they are the University’s customers and largest source of income. Like any business, you have to get along with your customers.

There are simple to learn and use pressure point actions that would have enabled the cops to arrest those on the ground, but that ignores the real question – why do anything?

A bunch of people having a camp out, it not the worst thing that has ever happened on a campus. Why spend time and money doing anything? They could get some of the ‘Don’t feed the animals’ signs from the San Diego Zoo if they wanted to be snarky. but sending a tactical squad in to arrest people is just stupid on a lot of levels.

Hell, a camp site would relieve the chronic lack of housing for students at Berkeley.

At this point the students are being more adult than the University and other officials around the country.

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By: Badtux https://whynow.dumka.us/2011/11/20/has-pike-peaked/comment-page-1/#comment-58385 Mon, 21 Nov 2011 05:39:51 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=23682#comment-58385 And now his boss’s boss’s boss’s boss chimes in. I.e., the Big Kahuna of the entire UC system.

That said, what hipparchia says about standard procedure written into university police policy is 100% accurate. In the aftermath of the 1999 WTO police riot, virtually every police department’s policy manuals were re-written to explicitly allow the actions that got Seattle’s police chief fired. So my guess is that Mr. Big Man On Campus is gonna get re-instated with full pay. He has Civil Service protection if he was abiding by published policy, remember.

And what it says about our nation that this is in fact published policy for most police forces today… err.

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By: hipparchia https://whynow.dumka.us/2011/11/20/has-pike-peaked/comment-page-1/#comment-58383 Mon, 21 Nov 2011 05:25:04 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=23682#comment-58383 “What I’m looking at is fairly standard police procedure,” Kelly said after reviewing the video.

apparently it has been written into the standard procedures anyway. at the time of “don’t tase me, bro” i found, among other things, this guide for the use of force from the university of florida police dept – http://www.president.ufl.edu/incidents/2007/tasing/UFPD-use-of-force-policy.pdf

interesting that level 3 subject response – passive resistance – is described as totally inert, and the corresponding officer response is supposed to be lifting or carrying the person. level 4 subject response – active resistance – includes tensing or bracing, and tasers, batons, and pepper spray are all listed as appropriate officer responses. what do you want to bet that protesters linking arms is routinely classified as “tensing or bracing”?

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