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Comments on: Show A Little Respect https://whynow.dumka.us/2012/04/22/show-a-little-respect-7/ On-line Opinion Magazine...OK, it's a blog Tue, 24 Apr 2012 01:17:19 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.3 By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2012/04/22/show-a-little-respect-7/comment-page-1/#comment-59426 Tue, 24 Apr 2012 01:17:19 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=25163#comment-59426 In reply to Badtux.

Hell, the M$M gave up even referencing facts and just presents opinions as if they all have equal value. Nowhere do you read in the reports about that claim of Allen West [R-McCarthyism] of Florida’s absurd Congressional delegation that about about 80 Democratic members of the House are Communists, that this is not factual, but a delusion of West.

Nowhere do you read in discussions of climate change that 97% of climate scientists agree that it is happening, and man is causing it.

When reporting on Iran, nowhere do you read that no actual evidence of a weapons program has been found.

If people rely on the M$M, it is small wonder they are ignorant. The corporate overlords have ordered their minions to keep the news fact-free. The ‘news’ has become duelling press releases.

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By: Badtux https://whynow.dumka.us/2012/04/22/show-a-little-respect-7/comment-page-1/#comment-59423 Mon, 23 Apr 2012 15:15:59 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=25163#comment-59423 Bryan, then there are those who get involved out of conviction that they are right, but have no data or knowledge to back that conviction and no real interest in data or knowledge to back that conviction. Left wing activists can be in that group too as Steve points out but at least they’re not running the show. The Republicants, on the other hand, are being run by the religious right — people who *rejoice* in rejecting reason for faith, who proudly proclaim that being educated beyond what’s needed to read the Bible makes you a brainwashed minion of Satan, yada yada yada. People who reject every scientific advance of the last hundred years that contradicts their interpretation of the Bible (yet, strangely, are quite willing to use the products of that science rather than living in tar paper shacks on subsistence farms reading their Bibles by the flicker of a kerosene lamp, go figure!).

Thing is, I find that *most* people’s knowledge of the world around them is as shallow as a child’s wading pool. They don’t read the news. They don’t investigate whether what they’re told is true, is actually true. They don’t try to build context for what they hear by reading the history and examining the geography of a place. You and I, we’ve probably been there when news was being made, and laughed at what the news media “reported” about it afterwards, which was nothing like what happened. But most folks simply assume that everything they hear on the news or via the grapevine is true. They never question. They never seek. They never really even care, actually. Or as one girl said to me in school, “Why should I care? How does it affect my daily life?” And now they’re trying to take her contraceptives away from her so that she spends her life barefoot and pregnant. Maybe now she gets it. Probably not, though.

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2012/04/22/show-a-little-respect-7/comment-page-1/#comment-59421 Mon, 23 Apr 2012 05:18:54 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=25163#comment-59421 In reply to Steve Bates.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but it would certainly be nice if it was based on something more than what they heard at a bar or bowling alley. Of course, I was trained and learned in the military and law enforcement that a single source for anything is no different than rumor or gossip, i.e. it might be true, but don’t depend on it without some confirmation.

There are an incredibly large number of people who get involved for social reasons, rather than the conviction that they are right. I’m arrogant enough to believe that I should be leading and not just following. I accept the possibility that I might be wrong, and will alter course based on new facts, but they have to be facts, not opinion. The data shows what it shows, whether I happen to like it or not.

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By: Steve Bates https://whynow.dumka.us/2012/04/22/show-a-little-respect-7/comment-page-1/#comment-59420 Mon, 23 Apr 2012 04:19:34 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=25163#comment-59420 Still, there’s no point in maligning mayflies and gerbils, by comparing them with today’s American politicians!

A decade or so ago, when I was an officer in the local Sierra Club, I participated in their event at one of the larger local Earth Day celebrations. (Ironically, this one was held in the stadium parking lot at Rice University. Now there was a “natural” environment… lots of concrete and hot as hell!) Anyway, it was an opportunity to converse with a lot of people about environmental issues, people whose motives differed from my own, people whose level of education was… oh, well, no need to insult the mayflies. Anyway, what I learned was that many people of good will, e.g., members of the local Green Party, didn’t know their environmental assets from a hole in the ground. I confess I had always assumed that people with good motives and activist behaviors actually knew something. Boy was I wrong!

Oh well. Today must be a good day. Stella has returned, and managed to insert a pill into Lily the Cat. Between the two of us, we managed to clean up all the Lily-poop we could find. And I’ve had just enough beer to loosen my tongue/fingers…

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2012/04/22/show-a-little-respect-7/comment-page-1/#comment-59419 Mon, 23 Apr 2012 02:38:22 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=25163#comment-59419 In reply to Badtux.

I can’t deny that people just don’t get the connection between what the government does, and how it impacts their lives.

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By: Badtux https://whynow.dumka.us/2012/04/22/show-a-little-respect-7/comment-page-1/#comment-59418 Mon, 23 Apr 2012 01:35:49 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=25163#comment-59418 As long as we entrust government to politicians with the memories of mayflies and the attention span of gerbils we are in deep trouble.

Our politicians are truly representative of our general population, Bryan. Memories of mayflies. Attention span of gerbils. We are so fscked.

– Badtux the Waddling Penguin

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2012/04/22/show-a-little-respect-7/comment-page-1/#comment-59415 Sun, 22 Apr 2012 20:22:29 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=25163#comment-59415 Yeah, sure, it was Vald Lenin, instead of Nabokov, Kerensky, Oppenheimer, Kant, or Isabella the Catholic that the day was selected to honor. This is the same thinking that established Labor Day at the end of summer, instead of May Day, because May Day remembers a US labor event, while Labor Day was election year cover for Federal troops killing strikers in the Pullman Strike.

Everyone knows that Earth Day was a reaction to the Santa Barbara oil spill. We learned such great lessons that we have had two spills that were even worse since then. Just like we were so impressed with the damaged cause by Chernobyl that we had to top it at Fukushima.

It is hard to escape the conclusion that the right-wing of American politics is a suicide cult.

There are a lot of nice events around the country, OWL, and people should celebrate the gift that the planet represents.

As long as we entrust government to politicians with the memories of mayflies and the attention span of gerbils we are in deep trouble.

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By: jams o donnell https://whynow.dumka.us/2012/04/22/show-a-little-respect-7/comment-page-1/#comment-59413 Sun, 22 Apr 2012 15:53:59 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=25163#comment-59413 That is so true Bryan

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By: oldwhitelady https://whynow.dumka.us/2012/04/22/show-a-little-respect-7/comment-page-1/#comment-59412 Sun, 22 Apr 2012 12:44:11 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=25163#comment-59412 BTW, Google has a pretty picture up, today.

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By: oldwhitelady https://whynow.dumka.us/2012/04/22/show-a-little-respect-7/comment-page-1/#comment-59410 Sun, 22 Apr 2012 12:34:52 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=25163#comment-59410 Earth Day is always a great day. They have some sort of festival in Columbia, today. Maybe I’ll get over there. It should be fun.

I like your logic, Badtux:)

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