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Comments on: Things That I Noticed https://whynow.dumka.us/2013/02/10/things-that-i-noticed/ On-line Opinion Magazine...OK, it's a blog Fri, 15 Feb 2013 06:13:42 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.3 By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2013/02/10/things-that-i-noticed/comment-page-1/#comment-61896 Fri, 15 Feb 2013 06:13:42 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=28463#comment-61896 Those are manufacturing costs, while Reliant is looking at infrastructure to carry the increased supply. They might be more willing if they were actually going to manufacture the electricity, but they will have to spend money just to get it, and they have always had the government do that for them.

I assume they are stalling until the government pays for it, one way or another. Real manufacturers rarely have that option, as it is reserved for energy companies.

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By: Badtux https://whynow.dumka.us/2013/02/10/things-that-i-noticed/comment-page-1/#comment-61894 Thu, 14 Feb 2013 16:39:10 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=28463#comment-61894 On the other hand, there is a marginal cost of production issue. For example, Chiseler Corporation is currently selling 150,000 Jeep Wranglers per year world-wide. This is all that their factory in Toledo, Ohio can make running three shifts 24/7. To make more they’d have to build a second assembly line. To do that would cost approximately $5 BILLION for the tooling costs due to the highly automated assembly process for the Jeep Wrangler. They estimate that they could sell approximately 50,000 more Jeep Wranglers overseas if they built that second assembly line. So, what do they do?

a) Raise the price of the Jeep Wrangler to the highest point where they can sell out the 150,000 production number, or
b) Invest $5 billion in a new assembly line — and remember, the Wrangler is due for a redesign in three years (the military-inspired Jeeps have a 10 year design cycle, the current one was introduced in 2006, meaning the next one is due in 2016), meaning that the new assembly line would have only a three year lifespan?

The reality is that they ARE expanding the Toledo factory to add a new assembly line… but by the time the new building is filled and equipped, it will be for the 2016 Jeep Wrangler, not the current one, which will keep producing the current model until the day that the workforce walks across the street to the new assembly line to start producing the next model. So now you know why you can buy a $45,000 Jeep Wrangler that costs them maybe $15K to make :).

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2013/02/10/things-that-i-noticed/comment-page-1/#comment-61892 Thu, 14 Feb 2013 05:25:11 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=28463#comment-61892 Reliant may have run out of sources for wind generated power due to demand, and can’t sell it . They may have, in fact, been caught selling more than they actually had, and lost a court case over the ‘accounting error’.

They may not want to buy more because it would require an expansion of their grid to new sources, and that isn’t cheap or quick. I really get suspicious when corporations won’t sell what people want. Real capitalists would get more, not refuse to sell more.

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By: Steve Bates https://whynow.dumka.us/2013/02/10/things-that-i-noticed/comment-page-1/#comment-61891 Wed, 13 Feb 2013 22:04:30 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=28463#comment-61891 Year before last, Reliant Energy sold me 100% wind power for this house. The following year, they refused to renew that contract. I made an issue of it, but they would not budge: in the second year, they would sell me only 20% wind power. Eventually I took the offer, but I wasn’t happy doing so. I can’t help wondering if the suppliers of natural gas and nuclear power made a fuss with Reliant, or whether wind power somehow got more expensive and less profitable.

Someday…

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2013/02/10/things-that-i-noticed/comment-page-1/#comment-61889 Wed, 13 Feb 2013 06:31:14 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=28463#comment-61889 In reply to Badtux.

Because of the Mississippi River system coal is cheap down here and there is a coal plant in Pensacola. Needless to say, the Florida Republicans wouldn’t think of actually hurting the feelings of the energy industry, so all we get is talk about renewables and no action. The real fight is going to come when the state runs out of water, so the current plants just won’t work, and that is going to happen because of the growth, agricultural, and industrial non-policies in the state. The state will be flat broke because of all of the tax cuts, and there is no one to make the improvements necessary to head off any of the problems.

California seems to have finally gotten a grip on fiscal policy, but Florida never will. We have so much solar potential, and it is just being ignored, just like climate change, because of the people who win Republican primaries.

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By: Badtux https://whynow.dumka.us/2013/02/10/things-that-i-noticed/comment-page-1/#comment-61887 Wed, 13 Feb 2013 05:21:56 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=28463#comment-61887 We have government action pushing renewables here in California, and the industry is well on track to get 20% of our electricity from solar and wind power by the end of the decade (it’s currently at around 15%). I’m not sure how hard it’d be to get that to 25% though. One thing to remember is that we get about 25% of our power from hydroelectric here in California, so if we got solar and wind up to 25%, that’s 50% from renewable sources. Most of the rest is nuclear or natural gas — we don’t have coal-powered plants out here because it’s too far from sources of coal, and the old bunker oil plants were retired decades ago.

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2013/02/10/things-that-i-noticed/comment-page-1/#comment-61885 Wed, 13 Feb 2013 04:26:10 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=28463#comment-61885 I know that people are working on it, Jim, and it is necessary for solar/wind to be useful nationally. The thing that people forget in places like Florida, is that solar power is at its highest level when we need it most – during the air conditioning season.

If people would invest in solar panels down here the benefits would be instantly obvious in reducing the biggest energy cost we have – cooling during the summer. That’s what causes brown outs and rolling black outs in places like California. If you consume all of the power in your house to operate your air conditioner, you are still saving money, and the grid is unaffected. It doesn’t help with lighting, but it would certainly reduce the extra hundreds of dollars that air conditioning costs you during the summer, as well as reducing the peak load on the grid. When I replaced my air conditioner with a new Energy Star model, my electric bill dropped $50/month. It paid for itself the first season I used it.

Once the technology is in place, the next problem will be convincing the for-profit utilities to use it. That is going to require government action, because I can’t see them doing willingly. I would like to see taxes on carbon emissions, to help them see the future, and reduce our carbon footprint so Florida doesn’t totally disappear under the waves.

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By: Jim Bales https://whynow.dumka.us/2013/02/10/things-that-i-noticed/comment-page-1/#comment-61882 Tue, 12 Feb 2013 18:43:08 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=28463#comment-61882 Bryan,

Germany gets about 25% of its electricity from renewable sources now
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_Germany

I suspect that this is pushing the limits of what the grid can accommodate without a substantial buffering capacity.

Don Sadoway has a really interesting technology for industrial-scale batteries:
http://www.ted.com/talks/donald_sadoway_the_missing_link_to_renewable_energy.html

They are working on it, and have deep-pocket investors behind them. I’ll note that in this Ted talk he describes a battery that fits in a 40-foot shipping container that stores 2 MW-hr (2,000 kW-hr), which is getting to be significant.

If you cycle it every day, that means it buffers 730,000 kW-hr of electricity over a year, and if you get 15-years out of a battery (a WAG), it buffers just over 10,000,000 kWh of electricity over its lifetime. At 10 cents/kW-hr, that’s $1M of electricity buffering. If you can make the battery for $100,000 (a number I made up), then you increase the cost of the electricty by 1 cent/kW-hr over its nominal selling price, which looks viable.

Best
Jim

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2013/02/10/things-that-i-noticed/comment-page-1/#comment-61874 Tue, 12 Feb 2013 01:31:53 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=28463#comment-61874 Only the people with big money take advantage of solar power down along the Gulf Coast. If the US would stop subsidizing fossil fuels, and started charging for the damage they cause, renewables would be cheaper than fossil fuels.

Everything is expensive until it is scaled up and mass produced. Solar cells, like most electronic parts, either fail early or continue for years. There are new versions coming into the market every year that are more efficient and easier to manufacture. Storage is the only major problem that needs to be addressed.

All that is really necessary is the vision to look at things in the long term and make the necessary investment now.

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By: Jim Bales https://whynow.dumka.us/2013/02/10/things-that-i-noticed/comment-page-1/#comment-61872 Mon, 11 Feb 2013 20:54:06 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=28463#comment-61872 The big thing that drove the German Solar boom was their feed-in-tarrif. The tariff has been quite generous, and intentionally scaled to make it economical for home-owners to install solar.

As a result, Germany dominated solar production for most of the past decade, and also drove down the manufacturing cost per module.

While solar is not generally at cost parity with fossil fuels, it is quite close now, in large part because the German tariff created the demand required to bring economies of scale to the manufacturing side.

Best
Jim

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