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Comments on: One Small Step https://whynow.dumka.us/2013/07/16/one-small-step-8/ On-line Opinion Magazine...OK, it's a blog Fri, 26 Jul 2013 22:38:59 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.3 By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2013/07/16/one-small-step-8/comment-page-1/#comment-64784 Fri, 26 Jul 2013 22:38:59 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=30097#comment-64784 ASRock had some RAM problems with my board, but they were proactive about them, and gave useful information about how to avoid them. I followed their advice and things just worked. As long as the manufacturer acknowledges possible problems and provides solutions, I don’t mind. It’s the guys who deny the existence of a problem until there is court case that really pisses me off.

It is so simple to just admit something is off, like admitting that any one of 5 slots can be an x16 slot, but only one can be used as an x16 slot at a time. If you only need one x16 slot that is a feature, but if you need two, it is a bug. The first rule in marketing should be ‘Don’t piss off your customers’, but too many hardware companies don’t understand that.

Nothing worth doing can be done quickly outside of combat, so take it as it comes. πŸ˜‰

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By: Kryten42 https://whynow.dumka.us/2013/07/16/one-small-step-8/comment-page-1/#comment-64776 Fri, 26 Jul 2013 12:49:02 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=30097#comment-64776 Funny about ASRock! Now that they are independent (no longer an ASUS subsidiary), their game has lifted considerably. πŸ™‚ Their recent products (with one horrifying exception!) are quite good and very well priced. πŸ™‚ I’m looking at three ASRock boards. The ASRock Z87 OC FORMULA, the Z87 Extreme9/AC, and the ASRock Fatal1ty Z87 Professional board in the Z87 (Haswell LGA1150 series). Also a couple of X79 LGA 2011 boards, and Z77 LGA1150 boards. And that is one of the problems!! There are too many choices. Intel have three series currently and they all have good/bad features etc, and most of the manufacturers have several boards out for each series. I’m evaluating ASUS, ASRock, Gigabyte, MSI, EVGA, and a board from ECS (as well as a couple Intel reference boards). Then, I have to test RAM from FIVE companies… It’s really becoming no fun at all!

ASUS QA sucks, it always has. I’ve had three ASUS Maximus VI Extreme boards, and each gives me different results and issues. And ASUS still tell *half-truth’s*. Like on that board, they stare they have 5 PCIe x16 slots. But the fact is, only ONE will work with 16 lanes. If you have two or more cards, the others will all be x8 lanes (so essentially unidirectional, rather than bi-directional). ASRock do make boards with 2 x16 slots, so if you have two vid cards in SLI (Nvidia) or Xfire (AMD), they will both run at full speed (that was a big problem with previous boards with 1 x16 and 1 x8 slot, the cards were not synced properly and it had to be dealt with in the software (drivers) which more often then not, would glitch now and then). πŸ™‚

Yeah, ASUS still have RAM compatibility problems, though they have eased them somewhat with their new T-Topology design between the CPU & DIMM’s. But their rated spec’s generally work properly (on the Haswell CPU’s at least) with only two sticks rather than 4, and 2 or 4GB sticks, not 8GB (at the higher frequencies). Part of the problem is the RAM makers. They get cute with the timings or volt’s to make them look good on paper. *shrug*

Ah well… I’ll have a lengthy review for my blog… assuming I ever get time to finish it!

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2013/07/16/one-small-step-8/comment-page-1/#comment-64771 Fri, 26 Jul 2013 05:18:22 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=30097#comment-64771 ASUS is a weird company. Some of their stuff is great, but then they’ll sandbag you with a crap board or device. I spent a lot time looking at reviews before I decided to use the ASRock instead of the ASUS I looked at originally. The ASRock was cheaper and didn’t look at good on the specs, but the reviews were all positive. There were a few too many “it was fantastic after I got it to work” reviews for the ASUS. I seem to remember that getting the right memory was very critical for the ASUS boards among the reviews.

Yes, they all protect their cash cows from internal competition, even if it means limiting newer products. It’s all about maximizing profits, and it’s only going to get worse with AMD floundering.

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By: Kryten42 https://whynow.dumka.us/2013/07/16/one-small-step-8/comment-page-1/#comment-64761 Fri, 26 Jul 2013 01:48:31 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=30097#comment-64761 Oh! I meant to mention (because I’m sure nobody here knows, maybe except Badtx)…

The one technology they disabled in the ‘K’ chips proves to me they are really afraid that people will buy these for $350 rather than the $1100 old fuddies! πŸ˜‰

TSX-NI (Transactional Synchronization Extensions New Instructions) are a set of instructions focused on multi-threaded performance scaling. It essentially helps make parallel operations more efficient and improves control of locks in software.

It’s only been disabled in the ‘K’ model that can be O’C’d. If that had been enabled, some of the areas where the 3970X still has an advantage (multi-threaded op’s) would all but disappear with the 4770K @ 5GHz! Since the locked versions have it, it was disabled on purpose, and the only legitimate reason is because it made their expensive CPU’s look bad. *shrug*

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By: Kryten42 https://whynow.dumka.us/2013/07/16/one-small-step-8/comment-page-1/#comment-64759 Fri, 26 Jul 2013 01:40:32 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=30097#comment-64759 Hey all. πŸ™‚ Been away a few days, in Melbourne. Very busy and still getting over the last of this flu. Been freezing here! Even midday temp’s below 3C (was 0 a couple days ago). And windchill has made it a lot colder.

No worries Juanita. πŸ˜€ I figured you understand me somewhat by now. Just thought I’d take the opportunity to put things in perspective. I had a suspicion the pink boots weren’t gonna be on the shopping list! πŸ˜‰ πŸ˜†

I love Red Dwarf (well, the early series. the past couple have been… not up to the standard. Just seem to have been produced to capitalist on the success, ya know? Plus, when they started, they had an effects budget of about $500! Which made it even funnier! πŸ˜€ (and they had to get pretty creative). Now, the seem to rely more on money to solve effects issues, and less creativity. And it shows. Oh well… That’s the way it goes sadly. *shrug*

Here’s the second half of that sketch, if you are interested. πŸ˜€

Smee heee – Red Dwarf – BBC comedy

Well Bryan, spent a couple days with the guys in Melb. I really wasn’t a very happy camper. I tested a lot of products, and for the most part… they are absolute garbage! Look pretty, spec’s on paper are impressive… and that’s about it! I showed them what the problems were, and asked if they really wanted to sell a system with them in it as they could guarantee heaps of support calls and RMA’s! And some of the worst were big name brands (ASUS for one, Corsair for another!) Then I read the ASUS Warranty (and this is for a top of the line, expensive, Motherboard) and you would swear the warranty was written by M$! If you get a faulty product, even DOA, you have to ship it back at your expense PLUS some legal/admin fee, and wait (an unspecified time) for them to eval the board and *Maybe* send you a replacement, eventually. Maybe!

I told them I’ve lost interest. This is why I got out of this crappy retail game in the first place. You get screwed by both sides, suppliers and customers! Anyway… they twisted my arm (they are a nice family and staff, otherwise I’d have called it quits, plus they are paying me), so I’ll have one more go at it. But this is absolutely the last. It shouldn’t be this crazy. *shrug*

One of the problems is Intel. They have a really nice CPU in the new Haswell chip (i7-4770K) at least it would be if they got rid of their garbage GPU (Graphics processor) that takes up half the chip and power! And you can’t disable it, that would have been at least something! I know why they didn’t, because it would have absolutely killed their high-end 6-core crappy $1,100 CPU for a measly $350!! Heck, I managed to get it clocked to 5GHz, and it ran most benchmarks better than the i7 3970X! πŸ˜† Imagine without the burden of the GPU, some extra cache… maybe a couple extra cores… I am sure they will replace the current old Sandy Bridge-E CPU’s with ones based on the new Haswell cores, and charge accordingly! And they have disabled some featured in the ‘K’ series4770 (this is the one with the unlocked clock/pwr so they can be overclocked. The others can’t). Mostly to do with Visualization and management (VT-d, Vpro, TSX-NI). So you HAVE to decide if you want to O’C & game, or do Visualization & remote management. (You can still do that with the ‘K”, but it’s all s/w and you loose out on useful technology that’s been disabled in the micro-code). But since it is in the micro-code, maybe someone will come up with a ‘patch’ to fix that. πŸ˜‰ Wouldn’t be the first time. πŸ˜€

Meeeeh! I’ve always hated the way Intel does business, and now AMD seem to be trying to follow suit. Good luck with that!!

Ahh well… back to testing more h/w!

Ya know… this used to be fun… once.

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2013/07/16/one-small-step-8/comment-page-1/#comment-64723 Wed, 24 Jul 2013 04:59:59 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=30097#comment-64723 As I need some dry days to finish several of the things I need to do before I can start experimenting, it is definitely going to be a while before I start working with the Pi.

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By: JuanitaM https://whynow.dumka.us/2013/07/16/one-small-step-8/comment-page-1/#comment-64720 Wed, 24 Jul 2013 04:18:19 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=30097#comment-64720 Popped back in tonight, and I really wanted to thank you for your kind words, Bryan. Appreciate the thought very much. I’m in the same boat on the Raspberry Pi stuff, I’m preoccupied with other things, too. I looked it up a while back, got some info off the net, and there it sits on my desk under a pile of other things that take priority. Sigh…

And Kryten, as much as I admire the writer at Juanita Jean’s, pink cowboy boots may not exactly be my style. πŸ™‚ And yes, I do get your humor, that β€œhonest” part was a bit of my own. Thanks for the Red Dwarf clip, it was worth the trip! Yes, a little light relief comes in handy.

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2013/07/16/one-small-step-8/comment-page-1/#comment-64713 Tue, 23 Jul 2013 15:57:05 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=30097#comment-64713 There was an attitude for a long time in the business that you could just ‘find someone’ to provide a vital part of your product or program, rather than creating it yourself so you knew it was going to work. I seem to remember that ‘it will be faster and get the product out the door sooner’ was often heard. Funny how it never seemed to work that way.

Even when you worked in teams on a project it was a major PITA keeping people to the specs so that every team was receiving the input they expected, and produced the output that the next team required.

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By: Badtux https://whynow.dumka.us/2013/07/16/one-small-step-8/comment-page-1/#comment-64707 Tue, 23 Jul 2013 05:33:18 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=30097#comment-64707 And if you have the expertise to do it yourself, why contract it out? But for some reason companies never figure that out. Well, actually, most startups here in the Silicon Valley have now figured that out, but only after many, many failed projects and failed startups…

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2013/07/16/one-small-step-8/comment-page-1/#comment-64700 Tue, 23 Jul 2013 00:35:16 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=30097#comment-64700 Oh, yes, I remember that from the days of the early PC clones, when only certain boards had boot PROMs that actually worked consistently, while others had PROMs that just sort of worked most of the time, but would fail if you actually tried to run anything other than the operating system. It took a long time before you could get consistency and buy whatever was currently available to build a machine.

If you don’t have the expertise to write the specs, you won’t get what you need, and the only way you get that expertise is by being able to do it yourself.

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