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Comments on: Busy https://whynow.dumka.us/2013/08/29/busy-2/ On-line Opinion Magazine...OK, it's a blog Fri, 13 Sep 2013 15:45:45 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.3 By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2013/08/29/busy-2/comment-page-1/#comment-65374 Fri, 13 Sep 2013 15:45:45 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=30653#comment-65374 I wouldn’t mind having the money for the annual electric bill for all that hardware, I’m not greedy. 😉 The local school system has new computers still the boxes because they can’t afford to plug them in, not that they have the electrical system in their buildings to safely support any new equipment.

I heard ‘over qualified’ as an excuse, as if that was a contagious disease. Based on most of the people doing the interviews I don’t think there was any danger of infection.

You stay in your comfort zone to avoid surprises after a few years of nothing but surprises. You just hope to vendors who are willing to stay with what they know how to do well and not head off in ‘an exciting new direction’ when a new CEO takes over and decides to make changes.

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By: Kryten42 https://whynow.dumka.us/2013/08/29/busy-2/comment-page-1/#comment-65373 Fri, 13 Sep 2013 08:06:44 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=30653#comment-65373 It’s the same here. I’m doing this new biz because I can’t get a job because:
a) “I don’t have recent experience” (But since I’m one of the highest qualified engineers in Aus, they have to pay me what I’m worth by industry standards (by law) and that would be over $130k/year + package),
b) “They want someone younger, and with a car” (someone inexperienced enough to be cheap and stupid enough to be the free delivery guy),
c) “You’d have my job in 6 Mths” (No, 3 Months moron!)

And I agree with the above (re: using what you know). I changed over to this new cloud system because I trust Prometeus and they showed me how they tested over the past year, and I was quite content with what they have done. They didn’t launch it until they were as certain as they could be it will work (unlike many companies that would have launched it 6 mths ago and fixed stuff as the customers found the problems). But It’s just a platform. On top, I’ll be running all the s/w I know well. And as much as I hated working for HP, their server/network hardware & OS do work (and I know HP-UX intimately anyway, so may be able to help the guys out if they get a problem).

I was glad when Apple finally got out of the Enterprise game and killed the Xserve line in 2011. Should have happened much earlier IMHO! It really was crap! (and I have all the Apple server cirt’s, so I speak from experience). Sure, it had some nice features… but most were poorly implemented! NO hot-swap capability, no redundant PSU, poor power management… etc, etc! Much of the management s/w that was applauded by industry was half-assed, like the LOM (Lights Out Management). It was good, except that it was bound to a single IP and the primary Ethernet port! If that port died or the IP changed… SOL! And so on. I had to laugh when I came across a photo of Jobs (during the 2011 Live Blog Keynote) standing in the new huge Apple data center… Not a single bit of Apple hardware anywhere! It was all HP! 😆

Steve Jobs in Apple Data Center WWDC 2011

*sigh* Mind you… I wouldn’t mind having all that hardware! 😉 😀

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2013/08/29/busy-2/comment-page-1/#comment-65369 Fri, 13 Sep 2013 05:34:20 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=30653#comment-65369 No one wants to pay an American if they can get an H1B slave.

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By: hipparchia https://whynow.dumka.us/2013/08/29/busy-2/comment-page-1/#comment-65366 Fri, 13 Sep 2013 05:17:57 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=30653#comment-65366 Yep, get a STEM degree so you’ll have a skill that will guarantee unemployment when you are really good at what you do because you want to get paid for your talent.

i can vouch for this model. i have 1.5 “s” degrees (both heavily “m” based) and part of a “t”certificate, and if dean baker is right, i’m making less than minimum wage:

http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/beat-the-press/the-minimum-wage-would-be-almost-18-an-hour-if-it-had-kept-pace-with-productivity-growth

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2013/08/29/busy-2/comment-page-1/#comment-65358 Thu, 12 Sep 2013 20:41:53 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=30653#comment-65358 Yep, get a STEM degree so you’ll have a skill that will guarantee unemployment when you are really good at what you do because you want to get paid for your talent. The corporations will just carry on with the H1Bs and outsourcing because it increases ‘profits’ while the company circles the bowl of incompetence.

I totally agree – better the problems you know and understand than intermittent weirdness that destroys your credibility and your company. If you already know about the problems, you already know about the work-arounds. One day they’ll ‘fix it’ and there will be a fracture somewhere else in the code. For every fix there is a new and seemingly unrelated problem – if that isn’t a ‘law’ yet, it should be.

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By: Badtux https://whynow.dumka.us/2013/08/29/busy-2/comment-page-1/#comment-65350 Thu, 12 Sep 2013 04:55:32 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=30653#comment-65350 One problem is that cost-cutting corporations have cut actual engineering staffing to the bone because engineers are expensive, and instead outsource to “contracting firms” that put huge numbers of new college grads to work on your problem. The problem is that these outsourcing firms are useless. They can’t produce product in a timely manner. Then marketing says it has to be on the market on day X, and it hasn’t even been turned over to QA for testing before day X-30, meaning QA has to hustle to find even the most egregious bugs and the rest of the bug fixes will simply have to be streamed out as patches over the next six months as the customers (and QA) find them. That’s how development is done today. It’s ridiculous, but that’s how it’s done.

Regarding drama, one reason why I went with generic Linux server storage was because I understand the Linux block subsystem at an intimate level and understand how the various layers of RAID, LVM, iSCSI, and filesystem/NAS protocols work from the inside out. There is no drama with generic Linux storage servers, just annoyance at the idiocies that have crept in over the years such as no way to do replication in a transparent fashion (you have to take down a LVM share and layer a DRBD replication layer on top of it to make it happen, then point the filesystem or iSCSI target at the DRBD device rather than the LVM device). I would rather be annoyed than wake up one day to find out that the management volume on my iSCSI block store from XYZ Corp got corrupted and all my volumes are gone with no hope of retrieval. Just sayin’.

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2013/08/29/busy-2/comment-page-1/#comment-65347 Thu, 12 Sep 2013 03:37:16 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=30653#comment-65347 You guys are in the IT equivalent of opera and you hope for ‘no drama’. You have more hope of a lack of melodrama, i.e. it will interesting ‘drama’.

The ‘functioning as designed’ is almost an IBM trademark going back to the 360 mainframes. When you have devastation throughout your computer center you really don’t want to hear that the beast was supposed to do that from the IBM support team.

More and more every year you get the feeling that no one is actually testing anything before it is shipped. Customers have become the testers. That is the only way of explaining why things you purchased because you were told they were designed for what you want to do, don’t actually do it, or do it so badly that they are drag on your throughput.

Prometheus are on to something with the open source community, because it is made up of people actually interested in what they are doing, and willing to try to make it work for you, including testing it before they give it to you. I don’t have a problem donating to several efforts because I have certainly paid a lot of money for no return from for-profit vendors.

Good luck, guys.

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By: Kryten42 https://whynow.dumka.us/2013/08/29/busy-2/comment-page-1/#comment-65346 Wed, 11 Sep 2013 19:06:37 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=30653#comment-65346 I like no-drama systems too. If you find one today, tell us! (and getting lucky doesn’t count!) 😉 😆

The VPS Prometeus use are running on Supermicro (twin2 & twinfat’s). But for the new cloud service, it had to be able to scale from the low-end to Enterprise (they have some enterprise clients that want to migrate from traditional VPS to cloud-based). It also had to be able to quickly scale over time. Curiously, while they are paying a small fortune in hardware, all the software is open-source. The HUS 150 SAN (with 120 TB SAS HD’s) cost them 120k EUR last year. And 4 Brocade 340 SAN switches with all ports licensed + 3 yr onsite support w/ 4hr hardware replacement guarantee. Etc. It’s replacing an old Sun/Storagetek system. The HUS 150 is considered Hitachi’s top tier-2 mid-range Unified SAN.

One of the reasons they went with CloudStack they said was because it’s open-sourced under the Apache umbrella and they had very good dealings over months with the development teams. Didn’t get very far with the OpenStack crowd apparently. Prometeus are developing their own control panel for CloudStack, working with the Apache team. 🙂

Apache CloudStack Wiki

Prometeus have some info on their implementation of CloudStack if you are interested, on their tech forum:

Prometeus – Tutorials and HowTo’s

I was reading on Ars Technica a hot discussion in tier-2 SAN’s with some interesting horror stories! Buyer Beware, indeed! 😀

I have significant reservations about the V7000.

I offer the following anecdotes regarding our two units that are less than a year old:

1) During a firmware update we experienced a condition where the unit stopped servicing I/O for approximately two minutes. This resulted in windows and Linux guests in our ESX clusters failing writes crashing/corrupting. IBM identified the cause of this and I believe it is fixed in their now current firmware, but it was present in their 6.2 and 6.3.01 code.

2) Under heavy write activity the controller deemed write cache to be ‘too busy’ AND DISABLED IT. The write cache disabled condition again led to conditions where some guests experienced write delays so long that they failed/crashed/corrupted. When this condition occurs, the controller maintains the disabled write cache state for at least one hour before considering re-enabling it. IBM identified the cause of this behavior and considers it to be functioning as designed. No fix is present, or ever planned.

3) IBM introduced a bug in the code in the middle of 2011 which causes a unit which has not been rebooted for 208 days to spontaneously reboot; that could be one or both of the controllers depending on how lucky you get. That bug had been identified and I believe it has been corrected in current code.

Allowing that #1 “could happen to anybody” I would say that #2 and #3 are not the sort of thing that one would expect of ‘mature code’ from a ‘world class vendor’.

Our two v7000 units will be leaving our data center just over one year into their five year contracts. #2 above was a deal breaker, when they told us that it was functioning as designed we concluded that it just wasn’t designed to meet our (relatively modest…) needs.

We’re actually in the process of returning a pair of Symantec 5220’s that we did a try and buy on.

The appliances couldn’t even do a backup to tape, when we got done struggling with deduped replication and were told to hold off for the next appliance software update we converted our SLP’s to be simple D2D2T jobs and we had problems with that. We took the jobs off the appliance and put them on our Windows based media server straight to tape without changing anything else and they worked just fine. Symantec support was worthless even with the regional VP of sales breathing down their neck so we finally said screw it, no need to wait for the next software update, if they can’t do a simple backup job how are we ever going to trust them to do something as complicated as deduped replication correctly. We’re currently evaluating what we’re going to use the money that we get returned on and I’m really not sure. Avamar seems out based on the 75GB/hour per node performance (<21MB/s, really that's lower than LTO2 performance). Datadomain with networker is a possibility but we're going to have to do an eval to see how it fits our environment. Finally I'm seriously considering moving to Commvault on 2U Windows boxes, I know it has it's issues with version upgrades, but no product in the backup space is anything approaching perfect.

And so on! 😆

I am sooooo glad I am out of that game!! HP & Apple were definitely the nails in the coffin of that career path for me.

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By: Badtux https://whynow.dumka.us/2013/08/29/busy-2/comment-page-1/#comment-65345 Wed, 11 Sep 2013 16:21:58 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=30653#comment-65345 I always preferred no-drama systems to the fastest thing ever seen by man.

My data servers are generic Supermicro 12-disk server boxes. My compute servers are HP Proliant servers chosen from our pile of gear because they have very low power usage for a server (they use roughly 2/3rds the power of an equivalent Supermicro 2-disk box) and will hold more memory than the equivalent Dell and Supermicro gear. They’re all running 2.4Ghz quad-core Westmere Xeon chips (two of’em in the compute servers, just one in the data servers) and connected together with 10Gig back end (data) network cards, the front end network is only 1Gig but since most of the work is done on virtual machines that are on the 10Gig fabric, the result is seriously fast. About to get another server box, it’s going to have a pair of 2.4Ghz quad-core Ivy Bridge Xeons in it. Most decidedly *not* the fastest thing ever seen by man, in fact almost the slowest Ivy Bridge Xeons you can get — but cheap, stable, and plenty fast for what we do. The biggest drama I have is when disk drives pop. I got a SMART alert on one yesterday, which then failed out of the RAID array, so I popped it out, popped new one in, saw where it got inserted by Linux, used mdadm to add it to the array, and there ya go, rebuilding away. Not exactly the stuff of drama. Of course, if I’d done like way too many of our customers and ignored the SMART alert, it could have escalated into drama, but I’m not that stupid!

10Gig Base T is now out and looks increasingly affordable. That’s going to be the Next Big Thing… the cards that I used in this particular setup were way too expensive, though all I paid for was transceivers (the cards were in a giant pile of gear that I sorted through over time). So it goes.

I will have to look into Cloudstack. I’m looking for something to make it easier to manage all these virtual machines. Openstack is at the moment looking like it would be a nightmare to implement, so I’m looking for something a bit simpler and more stable. Hmm….

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2013/08/29/busy-2/comment-page-1/#comment-65343 Wed, 11 Sep 2013 15:10:45 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=30653#comment-65343 Because of outsourcing single-vendor doesn’t mean much anymore. The people who cut the deals with the contractors aren’t the people who have to make the damn thing work, which is why I always preferred to talk to the tech guys when I was looking for systems for my clients. Off the record the service guys will usually tell you what works best and keeps their bottom line looking good.

I always preferred no-drama systems to the fastest thing ever seen by man.

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