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Comments on: Happy New Year, 4713 https://whynow.dumka.us/2015/02/18/happy-new-year-4713/ On-line Opinion Magazine...OK, it's a blog Fri, 20 Feb 2015 05:15:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.3 By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2015/02/18/happy-new-year-4713/comment-page-1/#comment-76973 Fri, 20 Feb 2015 05:15:04 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=34671#comment-76973 In reply to Steve Bates.

Given that the dialects preserved in Appalachia are very close to the English spoken in Elizabethan times, it is no surprise that Bluegrass and country music rely heavily on the lute tradition, as does much of what is considered ‘American’ folk music. I have always felt the key element of all of these is they were written for the vocal range of the average person, unlike music like our national anthem, a tune taken from a drinking song intended to embarrass the singer.

It is certainly more familiar than Russian folk songs that tend to change tempo for the refrain. ‘Those were the days’ is a translated Russian folk song and typical of the genre.

If you haven’t seen the recorder video at Fallenmonk, check it out, rather amazing work.

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By: Steve Bates https://whynow.dumka.us/2015/02/18/happy-new-year-4713/comment-page-1/#comment-76972 Fri, 20 Feb 2015 04:11:56 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=34671#comment-76972 “Different chords for different times :)”

Not all that different, Bryan. Elizabethan music, especially the lute songs, carried the most forward-looking tonal harmonies of any secular music of the day, more so than any other nation’s songs and more so than (always somewhat retrograde) church music of the era. In the rest of Europe, England’s 16th- and 17th-century songs were considered odd, but to our ears today, they sound strongly tonal, almost as if written a century or more later than they were.

Agreed about Joplin, Zombies and Hendrix… and that “love gone wrong” or “s/he done him/her wrong” songs are a timeless tradition in the solo song literature, then and now.

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2015/02/18/happy-new-year-4713/comment-page-1/#comment-76957 Thu, 19 Feb 2015 14:11:40 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=34671#comment-76957 As a Texan you should listen to Janice Joplin’s version of “Another Piece of My Heart”. Working in radio at an all male university I reminded people of their situation with the Zombies “She’s Not There”. For love gone wrong it’s hard to top Jimi Hendrix’s “Hey, Joe”. Different chords for different times 🙂

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By: Steve Bates https://whynow.dumka.us/2015/02/18/happy-new-year-4713/comment-page-1/#comment-76939 Thu, 19 Feb 2015 04:06:40 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=34671#comment-76939 “You really expected me to be familiar with Elizabethan lute music ?”

For your own pleasure, yes. Elizabethan lute songs… the kind in which the singer usually accompanied himself… are a world apart. Some are cerebral, but most are passionate… about love, or lost love, or the apparent primary manifestation of human love in Elizabethan times as in our own times. 😈 Whether the singer is declaring the tragedy of unrequited love as in John Dowland’s “If my complaints could passions move,” or exclaiming on much earthier matters in Robert Jones’s “What I will do with a dildo,” no more enjoyable songs were ever written!

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By: Bryan https://whynow.dumka.us/2015/02/18/happy-new-year-4713/comment-page-1/#comment-76933 Thu, 19 Feb 2015 01:40:34 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=34671#comment-76933 You really expected me to be familiar with Elizabethan lute music ? Now, Robin to the Batmobile ran, is more my speed… Given the date I’m preparing for Robins had the camphor berries purple runs all over my car 😈

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By: Steve Bates https://whynow.dumka.us/2015/02/18/happy-new-year-4713/comment-page-1/#comment-76927 Wed, 18 Feb 2015 22:56:54 +0000 http://whynow.dumka.us/?p=34671#comment-76927 Robin is to the Green Wooden gone…

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