The Deed Is Done
After only 8 days I have managed to install Windows 10 on the ‘Big Box’ and I’m already pissed off about it. All I wanted to do is copy a file from a directory to a flash drive and there is no obvious way of doing this.
I will install the Classic Shell tomorrow and that may help. I turned down their offer of using the ‘Express Settings’ and ‘Express’ly answered OFF, NO, 0 to each of their suggestions. If you answer ‘yes’, you are sending all of your information and everything you do on the computer to Microsoft.
I got ESET reloaded and it is current running a total scan on the disk.
The Error Code C1900101-20013 came up with the first installation attempt using the DVD, but the DVD installer said it occurred in Safe_Mode. Obviously the problem had to be with the Bios on the motherboard. I went a got the latest version from ASRock and flashed the EEPROM. This was in direct opposition to ASRock’s recommendation “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it!” Their attitude being if everything is working, why chance it? An error while flashing the Bios could result in having nothing work.
So, you have to uninstall your anti-virus software.
Remove the start at boot switch from all your software.
Update all of your firmware.
Update your operating system.
Burn an IOS image DVD.
And you might get Windows 10 installed.
Now I have to figure out how to shut the computer off….
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Yeah, I forgot to mention that I had to update my BIOS to get Windows 10 to go onto my gaming machine. Had to fiddle a bit with the settings too until I found some that Windows 10 liked.
I am baffled about your problem copying a file to a flash drive. All I had to do was drag the file and drop it on the icon in the left column for the flash drive. Easy peasy. Hmm. Maybe that’s something that Classic Shell did for me (put the various drive icons in the left margin, I mean)…
Windows Explorer is in better shape after I installed Classic Shell and I have grub back in control of booting, but Free Cell, Solitaire, and Mahjong Titans have disappeared and I need to find another media player. It definitely boots slower, but the actual applications seem a bit zippier. ESET says there are updates available, but Windows Update denies it. ESET has never been wrong.
The Toshiba will not be updated. It is too much of aggravation.
Boots slower? You have some problem then. Windows 10 is the fastest booting OS I’ve encountered in a long time. Maybe the latest Fedora boots as fast as Windows 10. Maybe. But it’s certainly faster than Windows 7 / Windows 2008R2. Do you have ‘Windows 8/10 Fast Boot’ turned on in the BIOS?
FreeCell / Solitaire should be available in the Apps menu preinstalled (it’s now a native Windows 8/10 ‘app’ rather than a freestanding program). Mahjong Titans is available in the Windows Store for free (click the little ‘Store’ button on your bottom bar) and will also appear in the Apps menu once you install it.
For media players I suppose it depends what you want from a media player. I use iTunes for playing music, and VLC for playing videos.
One thing 10 does that 7 didn’t is knowing that the Linux disk exists. It shows my flash drives as F: whereas in 7 they were E:.
I certainly don’t have a “Fast boot” selected as Win 7 wasn’t that old when I built the box. I check to see if ASRock has something available.
I thought you updated your BIOS? That came along with the BIOS update that made my motherboard Win8/Win10 compatible.
It may be there now, Badtux, but I wasn’t looking for it, and the only thing I changed was the boot sequence to ensure I wasn’t dealing with anything but the Win disk at boot time.
Crap, I can’t do it because it boots to grub on the Linux disk, not Win 10. Mind like a sieve .
Sorry to hear about TMF’s problem. That is the only real downer with sharing your life with pets, you worry about them.
OK, some objective numbers:
On the Toshiba laptop with a 1 GHz duo core processor, 4GB RAM, 5400 RPM drive 64 bit Win 7 Pro loads to a stable task bar in 1 minute 1 second.
On the ASRock with a 3 GHz quad core processor, 8GB RAM, 7200 RPM drive Linux loads in 34 seconds and 64 bit Win 10 Pro loads to a stable task bar in 1 minute 11 seconds.
The Toshiba loads faster on a Ethernet rather than WiFi, so the ASRock has an advantage. The ASR was always faster than the Toshiba running Win 7.
Win 10 probably doesn’t like that Linux drive 😉
That is amazingly slow. Granted, my 4ghz quad core processor is a generation newer than yours (though 2 generations behind current state of the art) and I’m running off of a 512gb SSD with a fresh install (not an upgrade, my old Windows 2008R2 RAID mirror is now data drives), but when I hit ‘restart’ on my menu, literally 10 seconds after the screen goes blank I’ve gone through the BIOS post and am back at the Windows 10 login screen. This is the fastest booting machine that I’ve ever had. Of course, it’s also the fastest machine that I’ve ever had (though I’m sure Kryten would sneer at it because there’s nothing water-cooled, heh), so there’s that.
My Dell Win XP machine boots in 30 seconds, Win 10 is the dog. I don’t know what’s going on. I checked again and I have the Win 10 drivers for my motherboard. It is just slow, and all I can think is that it doesn’t like the AMD processor.
Might try turning on the boot debug logs to see if there’s something in your startup sequence taking up all that time, because Windows 10 boots fast on *everything* that I own, even my rather limited Toshiba travel laptop with the dual-core Atom processor (oops, sorry, “Celeron”, my bad). Run msconfig.exe and turn on your boot logs and reboot, then check your boot log to see WTF is happening. Because you shouldn’t be going this slowly. Also right-click your menu bar, bring up the task manager, and go to the ‘startup’ tab and disable things there that shouldn’t be started up. My guess is that you have something left over from Windows 7 that’s trying to start up and not managing to do so, but Windows 10 is timing out in the process… because this is not a slow OS by any means. It should do everything faster than Windows 7 if correctly configured.
The only things that are launched on start-up are ESET and my calendar in Win 7. In Win 10 the Classic Shell launches in addition to the other two.
I’ll mess with it a while but I will probably go back to Win 7 because I don’t see any obvious benefit to me from 10 and a lot of annoyances.
ESET may be your issue if you’re running both ESET and Microsoft’s own Windows Defender. Note that Windows Defender in Windows 10 is not just an anti-spyware program, it’s a full antivirus program. You should run one, not both.
Frankly, given the security improvements in Windows 10 and the capabilities of its own built-in Windows Defender antivirus (which actually detects more viruses than ESET in some recent comparisons as well as performing better), you might want to just uninstall the ESET and see what happens.
Also check the boot log. If you’re trying to load drivers that don’t apply anymore you end up with issues.
My big box is off right now. Let’s see how long it takes to post and get to the login prompt if I hit the power button…. From cold to login prompt, 31 seconds.
ESET is OK with it. They gave me a different version of the program when I downloaded to install on the Win 10 box. Win 10 definitely doesn’t like my calendar program or my AMD/ATI graphics software, the Catalyst Control Center, and drivers. This is apparently the issue that was mentioned about Win 10 and AMD graphics cards.
The other thing it has done to me is I went to create a recovery disk, and it wouldn’t burn a DVD+R DL, it wanted an 8GB flash drive. That’s an hour and a half of my life wasted. If I have to do a restore I’m going to be screwing around in BIOS figuring out how to lie to get it to boot from a USB drive.
Most new computers don’t even have a DVD drive, everything is USB flash drives now. For my BIOS I hold down F-11 during post and it brings up a boot menu where I can choose any device currently plugged into my system that might be remotely bootable. This isn’t the 20th century anymore where USB was unknown outside of the Apple world and nothing booted off of it. My Macbook Pro doesn’t have a DVD drive and I’ve never even plugged a DVD drive into my big 12-disk servers, I used a USB keyfob to image them. And they’re vintage 2010, i.e., six years old. They have the same functionality, BTW — F12 or DEL brings up the normal BIOS screen, F11 brings up a boot menu.
You might as well be complaining that Windows will no longer boot off of a floppy disk.
It’s F11 on my machine or F2 for BIOS, but currently booting is a matter of going down the SATA drives. DVDs are a damn sight more durable than flash drives, but I have a Bluray burner that will hold 50GBs, and had an 8GB DVD+R DL loaded and it went to a flash drive immediately.
Actually I’m complaining that Windows won’t create a recovery DVD, the media that the OS was sold on according to the printing on those I have for Windows 7 Pro.
My boot menu looks at the SATA drives, so I’m going to have to dig into the main configuration menu to see how to lie to get the USB in the boot order. It is just another aggravation with the latest bloated version of Windows.
Windows 10 actually uses less disk space than Windows 7 did. Unless of course you have both Windows 10 *and* Windows 7 on your disk, which is true if you did an upgrade in order to allow you to “revert” back to Windows 7.
I’m trying to remember the last time I installed anything off of DVD. When I wrote the imaging software for our iSCSI appliance it was designed to run off of a USB flash because, of course, big embedded Linux systems don’t have DVD drives and USB DVD drives are more expensive than USB flash keyfobs. USB flash is far more durable in that case because they don’t have mechanical wear (and are being used in a read-only manner), we regularly had to throw DVD’s away after only a few dozen machines were imaged because they’d accumulated sufficient damage that installs would start failing. Granted, half of that is because machines were being imaged in a contract facility by barely trained monkeys who didn’t exhibit good care of the optical media, but the point is that the USB flash drives didn’t care that the people assembling the machines were idiots. All they had to do was stick it in, hit F11 to boot it, follow the prompts, pull it out at the end of the process, and carry it to the next machine coming down the line. When there was a new image to deploy, we sent out another flash, they duplicated it as needed to have sufficient for all their lines, they sent back the old master flash, and we recycled it to use for the next image.
So maybe I’m biased towards using USB flash because of that. (Shrug). Anyhow, I knew because of the Toshiba that came with Windows 10 that I needed an 8 gigabyte flash for recovery media and had one handy.
On the antivirus front, ESET didn’t come out looking very good on the latest AV-Comparatives test. Of course, Microsoft came out even worse. I’m surprised the Fortinet antivirus rated as high as it did, given that it comes for “free” with every Fortinet firewall as part of their VPN software. Kaspersky as usual came out on top, with Trend Micro and F-Secure also detecting all of their virus samples but having more false positives. Of the “free” (for personal use) antivirus software, Avira did the best, but had more false positives than AVG. Avira actually did better than ESET, and of course is free for home use. Looking at AV-Test, the results are similar over there, with the notation that Avira also performs better than ESET.
I guess this just goes to show that things change rapidly in the antivirus industry, and who was the leader yesterday has nothing to do with who is the leader today…
I use the Nod32 ESET product, not the Security Suite and the only problems I’ve encountered were from ads. I didn’t get infected, but it screwed things up. The Security Suite covers messaging and other services I don’t use, so I don’t pay for them.
If I have to visit an iffy site, I use the Raspberry Pi – No worries.
I installed Win 7 and Ubuntu off DVDs which are used once, dusted, and put back in their cases. The early days in an IBM mainframe shop get seared into your soul.
I guess the real annoyance is that I installed the Windows 10 update off a DVD that M$ burned from their ISO file as part of the Win 10 upgrade. They offered the options of DVD or flash drive, so I assumed that those would be the choices for the recovery ‘disk’.
Win 10 is pretty fast on my Dell Notebook & tablet. But both are high end Intel & have fast SSD’s.
OT: Came across this & thought you might be interested badtux or Bryan. It’s a 50 AH (50,000 mAH) solar powered USB device charger (phone, tablet, camera) on special for $35. You can get adaptors for other portable devices, just have to be careful about current draw. Available in 3 colors. I’d get one, but only ships within USA.
Go Green 50,000mAh Solar Power Bank
Good luck with Win 10 Bryan.
It is probably a combination of having a ‘mature’ AMD processor and using my own software choices instead of using the stuff M$ wants to rent me on line.
I probably won’t uninstall it, but I won’t be happy if I have to replace this laptop.
It wouldn’t surprise me if W10 doesn’t like AMD. Though you would think otherwise, given AMD haven’t realeased any new CPU & chipsets for years now, just some minor updates. They are suposed to be releasing all new hardware later this year, so maybe M$ are waiting for that. Who knows. *shrug*
OT: Wish me luck & cross everything! I just signed up with an ISP that assured me completely that since I have a working phone line, Internet will be no problem using Telstra as a wholesaler for my ADSL2+ service. And they are the ONLY one (I have spoken to at least 8) who said they could provide unlimited data. Everyone else said the max was 500GB Peak/500GB off peak & uploads are counted. Also, they all wanted to charge between $80-$105/mth. This one is $69/mth with a Static IP! Others wanted $5-$10/mth for a static IP.
I don’t get it. Anyway, I was told I should have it in 3-6 days. We’ll see. Just about ready to blow my brains out I tell you.
LOL Seems the U.S. AirForce had a complete website makeover! Even adaptive now. 😀 😉
https://www.airforce.com/
M$ has a bad habit of using bugs as features, and has had a long standing gentlemen’s agreement with several other vendors that ‘give the appearance of favoritism’, which, of course, doesn’t actually exist 😈
I think it is probably the calendar program that M$ objects to most and I have years of automatic reminders typed into that sucker which makes it more important to me than the latest version of Windows.
I wish you luck on gaining ‘Net access and your forthcoming election this summer. It amazes me that you can get an election organized in three months, but it takes us two years of screwing around when everyone knows when the nest election will be.
It’s a special election. Turnbull is having a tantrum becaue nobody likes his plans to destroy Aus. He basically told the Govornor General to dissolve both houses of parliament because he can’t Govern. Which is probably the only truth he’s uttered in years! The last double dissolution was ’87 I think.
Wiki: Double dissolution
Ahh! Found a link about what happened in 1987:
Party like it's 1987: What happened last time Australia had a double dissolution
There have only been 5 double dissolution elections in our history I think.
*sigh* Fun for all! 😐
Well, Kryten, as bad as your lot of politicians be, at least you don’t have any chance of saying the words “President Trump” anywhere in your future.
I got a new tech toy today, a Google Nexus 9 tablet. It reminds me of Windows. It keeps rebooting over and over again to install software updates, LOL. Plus it chews up battery power like candy. According to my Kill-a-watt its charger is pulling 7.1 watts (that’s about 1.4 amps at 5 volts) and it’s still not gaining battery power very fast. I don’t think I’ll use it for much other than testing my mobile app on Android, which is why I bought it — I have my old Samsung Galaxy S3, but it’s showing its age and I needed something capable of running the latest versions of Android. I already have the iPhone and iPad to test the iDevice version of the app (which is compiled from the same source code thanks to the wizardry of Apache Cordova)…
Turnbull isn’t having any more luck with your Senate than Abbott had [or Obama has with ours] but the polls don’t seem to auger well for an election. The problem with a party coup is that it fractures the party, and isn’t a good thing to call an election soon afterwards.
But at least you don’t have Trump who will bring on the Desolation of Drumpf following the Cristal Night of his coronation. All of those officials who thought it was a good idea to require a pledge of support from their candidates are watching their ploy backfire spectacularly.