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So, When Do The Attacks On Hamas Start?

Update: CNN has more on Zeitoun.

CNN reports on the results of the attacks on the UN: U.N. suspends aid work in Gaza

GAZA CITY, Gaza (CNN) — Israeli forces fired on a U.N. aid convoy Thursday in Gaza, killing two aid workers, during a three-hour truce that Israel set up to allow humanitarian aid to reach civilians, U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said.

“Since the conflict began 13 days ago, four UNRWA local staff have been killed,” according to a statement from Ban’s representative referring to the U.N. Relief and Works Agency.

“The U.N. is in close touch with the Israeli authorities about a full investigation of this and other incidents, and about the need for urgent measures to avoid them in the future.”

As a result of Thursday’s fatal attack on its aid convoy, the U.N. relief agency will suspend activities in Gaza until the Israeli military can guarantee the safety of its staff, said the agency’s chief spokesman, Chris Gunness, in Jerusalem.

The humanitarian agency provides food and relief supplies to about 80 percent of Gaza’s 1.5 million people. At least 50 trucks carrying humanitarian goods and diesel fuel crossed into Gaza on Thursday.

The BBC has a report that seems to be about a different attack:

The UN’s move came shortly after it said one person had been killed and two hurt when a fork-lift truck on a UN aid mission came under Israeli tank fire at Gaza’s Erez crossing.

The UN’s relief agency Unrwa said it was “with great regret” that it had been forced to make a difficult decision.

“We have suspended our operations in Gaza until the Israeli authorities can guarantee our safety and security,” said Unrwa spokesman Chris Gunness.

“Our installations have been hit, our workers have been killed in spite of the fact that the Israeli authorities have the co-ordinates of our facilities and that all our movements are co-ordinated with the Israeli army.”

The UN said the movements of the truck hit at the Erez crossing had been co-ordinated and cleared with the Israeli military.

MSNBC has a report on the war on children including on page two some reporting on Zeitoun neighborhood of Gaza city. A third of those killed so far have been children.

So far, I have heard about a half dozen members of Hamas killed, who weren’t on the civil service rolls, and might actually be militants firing rockets.  The rockets are not guided, they are ballistic.  They don’t even spin, so they are more like large muskets than rifles.  They fly until they run out of fuel, and then they fall.  That limits the number of places they can be launched from, and the Israelis have the equipment to track the launches.  The most current model is nearly 7 feet long, so it requires some room to use and a clear path, so they aren’t being launched among crowded buildings.

My main point is that I can see a clear method of determining the most probable places for launching these rockets, and know a number of ways of watching them and responding instantly to any attacks.  I have to assume that Israeli intel is capable of using a map and compass to derive the same information, and they have the aerial photographs to spot the same sites I would identify.  So the question is why they are conducting this general campaign of mass destruction if they want to stop the rocket attacks?

4 comments

1 Kryten42 { 01.09.09 at 3:07 am }

Aha. Maybe the UN should stop giving their coordinates to Israel and making it so easy for Israel to attack the UN. 🙂 The UN really should have woken up by now about who their friends and enemies are. If the UN can’t even figure that out, they are far more useless than I imagined.

Once may be an accident, twice is a pattern, three times is a conspiracy. 😉

And I know your question is highly rhetorical Bryan, so I won’t reply. 😀 You know my thinking about Israel in any case. 😉

2 Bryan { 01.09.09 at 11:32 am }

I think they are using the UN facilities as aiming points and forgot to include the offset.

The Israelis consider the UN hostile because of their attitude of anyone who isn’t behind us 100% is an enemy. The UN keeps playing it straight, as does the ICRC. They both generate paper when the rules are violated and the Israelis don’t like playing by the rules.

You really have to screw up, like we did at Guantanamo, for the ICRC to make a complaint public, so I would assume the attacks on Red Cross/Red Crescent people is much worse than has been reported.

3 mapaghimagsik { 01.09.09 at 2:39 pm }

for Israel, I guess it all ends when all the palestinians are dead

4 Bryan { 01.09.09 at 3:16 pm }

Perhaps for some Israeli politicians. Everyone in Israel doesn’t feel this way, but their voices don’t get heard. There are Palestinians were just want to get on with their lives, but their voices don’t get heard.

Not all Jews are Israelis.

Not all Israelis are Jews.

Not all Israeli Jews approve of violence.

Not all Palestinians are Muslims.

Not all Palestinian Muslims approve of violence.