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Courts 2 – 0 Drumpf

Court refuses to reinstate Trump travel ban:

“The government has pointed to no evidence that any alien from any of the countries named in the Order has perpetrated a terrorist attack in the United States,” the ruling said.

It also rejected the argument that the president had sole discretion to set immigration policy.

“Rather than present evidence to explain the need for the executive order, the government has taken the position that we must not review its decision at all,” said the ruling. “We disagree, as explained above.”

Start with Marbury v. Madison, 5 U.S. 137 (1803) and read some judicial history. Telling an Appeals Court that it can’t review the actions of the Executive branch is a loser. Even Drumpf’s Supreme Court nominee is unhappy with Fraudulency’s attacks on the Federal courts.

Sally Yates was right – DoJ has no way to defend this turkey. Telling the Ninth Circuit that the President can do whatever he wants without any ‘checks or balances’ was never going to fly.

6 comments

1 Badtux { 02.09.17 at 11:53 pm }

Telling a court that it can’t review an action is like telling a cop that he can’t arrest you. The next step is that you’re face down on the ground with a boot in your back getting fitted for some new steel bracelets and get to share a holding cell overnight with assorted drunks, druggies, pimps, and other sordid sorts before making bail the next day. Maybe the charges will be dropped, but that’s still one night you’ll never have back.

Basically, the DoJ lawyer attempted to make arguments about evidence that was not briefed or submitted for the record at the circuit court level. Appeals courts don’t work that way. They examine the evidence on record, they don’t go looking for new evidence. If it’s not on record then as far as they’re concerned it doesn’t exist. The appeals court seemed unimpressed when the DoJ lawyer told them he hadn’t had time yet to submit that evidence to the trial judge, pointing out that it was the DoJ lawyer who chose the time for the appeal of the stay / preliminary injunction, not the trial judge, and it was his responsibility to have entered that evidence before appealing. I listened to the entire 1 hour podcast of the hearing and just shook my head as time after time the DoJ lawyer was just totally flummoxed upon basic things like this being pointed out to him. The appeals court was *not* impressed. They sounded a bit annoyed, actually, by the time they were finished with him, like “why are you wasting our time with this crap when you haven’t even done the minimal preliminary homework to make this worth our while?”. They went pretty hard on the State of Washington lawyer too, but they didn’t sound like they were annoyed with him, they were just pressing him on whether he had his shit together. He did.

2 Bryan { 02.10.17 at 8:58 am }

What is really going on in this proceeding is establishing the ‘point spread’ for the trial of facts, that hasn’t taken place yet. So far the trial judge has said the plaintiffs will win if the defense doesn’t find some facts, and the appeals panel agrees.

Unless the FBI can come up with a ‘plot’ by refugees and immigrants from the affected nations to blow up Ghirardelli Square, the Ninth en banc won’t bet on the DoJ winning, I wouldn’t guarantee that Kennedy wouldn’t vote against the government on this case, So, Supremes 4-4 best case, 5-4 probable. Looks like Drumpf will get shut out by the courts, who want real facts, not ‘alternate facts’.

If the Supremes tie, the Ninth Circuit’s finding stands.

3 Badtux { 02.10.17 at 3:28 pm }

Noooo! Not Ghirardelli Square!

– Badtux the Chocolate-lovin’ Penguin

4 Bryan { 02.10.17 at 3:54 pm }

A cousin used to have a jewelry shop in the Square.

5 Badtux { 02.10.17 at 6:25 pm }

Perfect spot for a jewelry shop. Chocolate goes with women like jewelry goes with women (Mr. T excepted). Should have had plenty of clientele :).

6 Bryan { 02.10.17 at 6:42 pm }

He did custom pieces, and the tourist things like spoon rings and cut-out US silver coins. He made his real money with custom knives and engraved firearms.