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It’s OK If You’re Obama

The wayback machine shows the results of the Iowa caucus to have been: Obama 37.6%, Edwards 29.7%, Clinton 29.5%.

But it turns out the 45 pledged delegates are being distributed: Obama 25, Edwards 6, Clinton 14. According to Obama’s supporters it’s perfectly all right to steal delegates from John Edwards because he withdrew. As an Edwards supporter let me remind you, that John suspended his campaign, he did not withdraw, and the supposedly “pledged delegates” were still his until the Obama camp stole them in the corrupt process that is Iowa.

How can I say Iowa is corrupt, because Iowa violated the same Rule 11A that Florida violated, and Obama says the Florida process is corrupt.

While we are on corruption, Jill at Brilliant at Breakfast thinks Mithras is correct in characterizing this New York Times article as Clintonian Blackmail.

Sorry, it is called a consumer complaint. When you pay for tickets and are refused entry to the show, it is normal to want your money back. The national party has been draining money from Florida for years which caused the state party to go into debt. Finally Floridians are fed up with getting nothing but contempt for their money.

I won’t vote for Clinton or Obama, but Clinton is at least smart enough to realize the effect of not allowing Florida and Michigan to participate in the selection process.

In comments EBW of Wampum noted that to win a Democrat has to take three out of these four states: Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, and Florida. If Michigan and Florida don’t get to vote, what are the chances voters will turn out for a Democrat in November? People forget that Michigan and Florida are just two of the states who are tired of having no voice in selecting a candidate.

In that same thread MBW of Wampum wondered about demonstrating at the Democratic convention. With all of the references to Chicago politics, I’m reminded of demonstrations at a Democratic convention, in Chicago, in 1968. Apparently Chicago politics demand that unarmed peaceful protesters be attacked by club wielding police officers and reporters be thrown out of the convention hall for asking questions, so I’m not convinced that a demonstration is a good idea when there’s a chance of “Chicago rules” being enforced.


1 hipparchia { 03.17.08 at 12:53 am }

[wow! that’s green]


2 Bryan { 03.17.08 at 1:09 pm }

Something like that.

3 MBW { 03.17.08 at 2:55 pm }

Bryan, I just had Eric (EBW) purchase fromthefloor.us, which I’ll be turning into a community site focused on the Democratic convention in Denver. I hope we can use it in part to educate people on the Florida and Michigan disenfranchisement, and just how the rules are manipulated to benefit some states over others. I also want it to be a neutral site where people can safely (without being trashed by Obamabots and Clintonistas) discuss these issues. Only through knowledge can we be empowered to make the changes necessary to become a truly Progressive party – and frankly, if that’s not possible, it may be a stepping stone to creating a new Democratic Party.

4 Bryan { 03.17.08 at 3:20 pm }

A note of caution, I’m having problems with my .us domain, the DNS servers are having a hard time finding it. This just started about a month ago.

I have been thinking about the break-up in the early 19th century that lead to the formation of the Republican Party from the bits and pieces from the Whigs and northern Democrats.

Maybe it’s time for a real Liberal Party in the US, I know Florida is ready for something.