What A Maroon
Mustang Bobby covers the Charles Krauthammer ticking time-bomb scenario, that is supposed to justify the use of torture.
The WaPo’s resident neocon apologist uses the case of the kidnapped Israeli soldier, Nachshon Mordechai Wachsman. While it is true that the Israelis claim to have gotten their suspect to reveal Wachsman’s location, it is also true that Wachsman and another Israeli soldier died in the rescue attempt.
What happened was the equivalent of locating the bomb and having it go off when there was an attempt to defuse it, which is not the desired result. Further, it is quite possible that the terrorists expected the Israelis to locate them, and it was a suicide mission from the beginning. The exchange was three terrorists for two Israeli commandos, which is not a sustainable outcome from the Israeli point of view.
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…the “ticking time bomb” and” the buried kidnapped child” are the scenarios that we are going to be burdened with for some time to come, courtesy of the wingnut torture-supporting chattering class and ’24’. Neither of those scenarios has any basis in fact or reality (“kidnapped child” is simply a puerile play on emotions and the whole idea of ‘breaking’ someone who knows the location of some ticking time bomb misunderstands the motivations of the terrorist mind). All those voices insisting that torture doesn’t work are being lost in a whole other discussion about where it is needed, even though nobody is able to provide any real live evidence of situations where it actually worked…
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Funny you should mention the buried child, Jack. Dirty Harry was on today, and that was one of the plot points. Harry tortures the perp to find the child, who is dead when they find her, and the perp walks free because of the torture.
Without the torture, the child would still be dead, but the perp would pay for the crime. Of course the audience thinks Harry was right to do what he did.
They can always find excuses to be inhuman.
They can always find excuses to be inhuman.
Bingo! And I have had MORE than a gutfull of that! I saw things these assh*les can’t even begin to imagine. Pol Pot and his warlords were the most sadistic evil bastards on the planet! I wish i could grab the lot of them by the metaphorical ‘scruff of the neck’ and rub their noses in what I saw until their eyes bleed.
We had a burning anger and hatred for the KR. But we controlled it and did our jobs. And we saved innocents, thousands of them. That was what kept us from becoming like the KR, or worse. We got good intelligence because the local villagers knew we would do all we could to protect them, that we at the very least gave them hope and a chance at surviving they didn’t otherwise have. The KR we captured cooperated because they knew we would not abuse them and would treat them well but also that their lives would be over without hesitation if they didn’t. We were not hypocrites. And that was what got us what we wanted. And that was how we survived. Maybe this will help:
It’s not intended to be poetic, more of a campfire story, but it’s real. I’ve seen this around in various forms of change, reprinted by some from memory I guess, this is the original.
It was always amazing how the bad guys knew details of everything that was reported to the higher ups. It sort of made you suspicious out of the front lines that someone with shoulder glitter didn’t know how to keep their mouths shut.
After a while you learn not to tell everything you know until after everything is over, and delay until the last moment when you need an airstrike or support so there isn’t time for leak.
When they question you, you tell them flat out, they have a problem, and you don’t intend to die because of it. They don’t like, but they can’t do your job, and they are more than a little afraid of you. They don’t ever look into it because it might be embarrassing and cost them the next bit of glitter.
Different armies, same crap. Different wars, same crap.