Doubling Down On Ignorance
In reaction to Charlie Pierce’s piece, Jeffrey Toobin wrote a response that Charlie posted. It included this gem:
Let’s start with the easy stuff – about the Nazis. Snowden leaked the classified information because, he said, he believes in the principle “declared at Nuremberg.” I wrote that Snowden’s invocation of Nuremberg was grotesque because it compared those who worked for the government and chose not to leak this material to the Good Germans who were Only Following Orders. You write, “Snowden here is not remotely comparing anyone at the NSA to the Nazis.” Of course he is. “Nuremberg,” as you surely know, means one thing in this country: Nazis. You attempt the subtle distinction that the Nuremberg principle was only established after World War II. Nice try. Any reasonable reading of what Snowden wrote shows that he meant he alone had the fortitude to strike out against the banality of evil.
If Mr. Toobin had been through basic training for the US military, as both Mr. Snowden and I have, he would know exactly what the reference meant: “I was only following orders” is not an acceptable excuse in the US military, and you will be prosecuted if you follow illegal orders.
The Nuremberg Principles are incorporated in the laws on war, and the laws of the United States, especially the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
Mr. Toobin might be shocked that the number of people who actually know what the Nuremberg Principles are, is probably limited to historians and members of the US military. The principles are constantly in play in the proceedings of the International Criminal Court, and in US military courts-martial.
Mr. Toobin is the one with the Nazi fixation, not Edward Snowden. Edward Snowden felt what the government was doing was in violation of the Constitution and the laws of the United States, and he acted to expose it. We now have a de-classified FISA court opinion that says he was correct in his judgment.
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Oh Jeez! Yeah, even we got taught about the ‘Nuremberg Defense’ in basic here! That was during the lecture series on what we were “Legally REQUIRED To Do”, “What we damned well should NOT do”, and “What we should do” and how to do it, if we saw/heard or were given any order deemed illegal by law, treaty or convention. In Aus., it’s what the WO (Warrent Officer’s) are for. They are the ones who can have a quiet word in the ear of an Officer and if that doesn’t work, his superior! Anyway, it was pretty serious, and there was an exam at the end (one of the few such lectures they did that). Maybe that’s why we haven’t had the kind of problems the US has had. *shrug* I don’t know.
Toobin is a tool, and a pretty rusty one at that!
I would assume that is is part of all military training among the NATO countries, also. People who have never been in the military have a very warped view of what it is all about, and they way it operated under the Shrubbery and now Zero, I’m not surprised. but there are still a lot of people in the military who stay true to the real core ideals of the system.