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Dealing With The Likud

Jack. The Grumpy Forester is right, Biden should have left Israel immediately.

UN Secretary General, Ban Ki-moon is right the Israeli settlements violate international law.

Mary at Pacific Views provides a sampler of related posts.

It is difficult to understand why Obama would hold a meeting with Bibi at the White House after Netanyahu’s brother-in-law calls Obama ‘anti-Semitic’.

After such a blatant insult to the government of the United States, we should have reduced out diplomatic presence to the consulate in Tel Aviv, and called the US ambassador home.

I would be really interested in knowing what Israel has done for the US? Seriously. What benefit has the US ever derived from our support for the nation of Israel? Where is the return on our investment?


1 Badtux { 03.23.10 at 10:43 pm }

The return on our investment is that the yids stay over *there*, instead of coming over *here*. Duh.

– Badtux the Snarky Penguin

2 hipparchia { 03.23.10 at 10:53 pm }

Where is the return on our investment?

isn’t israel where we’re stockpiling all those nukes we’re planning to [let israel] use against iran some day?
.-= last blog ..Run, ntodd, run! =-.

3 cookie jill { 03.23.10 at 11:04 pm }

We should stop funding their “terrorist” activities. They think they can do whatever they want and we will continue to come to their rescue. Everytime.
Frankly, I’m so freakin’ tired of their agregious behaviour toward the Palestinians. Of course, if you say something like that, you’ll be labeled an anti-semite, but I do not condone the type of behaviour they have been exhibiting in any “tribe.”
.-= last blog ..Farmer’s Markets =-.

4 Bryan { 03.23.10 at 11:41 pm }

They have done nothing but cause trouble for the US from the beginning. They have at least fought on the same side as the British and French [the attempt to seize the Suez Canal], but they have never spilled any blood helping the US.

If they want to go around antagonizing people and starting wars, let them do it on their dime. It’s time we pulled our stored materiel out of Israel, where it is used to blow up schools, hospitals, and apartment blocks.

5 Badtux { 03.24.10 at 1:40 am }

I wasn’t aware we had any stored material in Israel anymore, my impression is that all that crap was relocated to Kuwait after we “liberated” it in 1993. The U.S. forces that invaded Iraq in 2003 arrived without their artillery and tanks and Humvees and such — they used the prepositioned stuff that was already in crates in Kuwait. So Israel basically lost any importance as a forward basing area when we gained a new client state via some rather nasty dirty tricks that remind me that Poppy Bush was CIA.

But still… better the yids be over there than over here. Anti-Jew sentiment isn’t that strong in the USA today compared to when the State of Israel was founded, other than in the black and Hispanic communities, but still seems strong enough to keep payin’ them off to stay over there than allow them to come over here. Not that you’d know it from the amount of Israeli Mafia activity in Florida, where it seems like organized crime figures move between Israel and the U.S. at will depending upon whose law is most peeved with them at any given time (Florida is a huge area for the Russian-Israeli Mafiya, they pretty much own most of the moving industry outside of the major national movers in Florida for example because they kneecapped all the non-Mafiya competition).

6 Kryten42 { 03.24.10 at 1:57 am }

But, Bryan… USA needs a *safe* haven for all those nasty WMD’s USA has that they don’t want Americans to know about. (Has nothing to do with convincing the rest of the World, we all know the USA has them and are hypocrites (Gov I mean, and wingnutia). 😉 Things like the Cobalt-60 enriched *dirty* bombs for eg. (Which the US military supposedly built in response to the USSR fictional Tsar Bomb that even if it had been built the USSR had no way of delivering it. There was supposedly a modified Bear 1A for that job, but unless the USAF/Army/Navy were all unconscious when it came over to drop it… *sigh*) As with many things in Military, it was a convenient way to convince congress/citizens it was a threat so they could built a toy they wanted and wouldn’t have gotten any other way. 🙂 The deal was that Israel would *store* them is the USA would turn a blind eye to Israel stealing… ummm, suddenly and effectively *designing* some dirty *collars* for their nukes as a final *deterrent* (ie, to end the Arab *problem* once and for all.) Of course… They cant be used anywhere that anyone wants to occupy after, as the land is uninhabitable by anything organic (except maybe cockroaches) for thousands of years.

Israel actually has a very tough and embarrassing (at the very least) leash around the USA’s neck.

7 Kryten42 { 03.24.10 at 2:07 am }

I should say BTW, that though the USSR & USA built cobalt-60 bombs, they were really discarded as impractical because to be effective, they would require a relatively large amount of cobalt-60 material per acre. Still… they do exist, and whilt impractical for military purposes, are perfect as a terrorist weapon. And even the USA engages in terrorism when deemed to be necessary (usually to scare it’s own population into agreeing with something anyone sane normally wouldn’t) ;). 🙂

8 Kryten42 { 03.24.10 at 4:21 am }

Hmmm… BTW again… (Sorry. Things are very hectic here).

*sigh* I realised after rereading the above that it doesn’t really give an accurate picture. So…

The USA does have enhanced (salted) nuclear weapons. There are three categories, short, medium and long term. Short term enhanced salted munitions use a gold isotope (au-198) with a half-life of about 2.5-3 days, medium are usually salted with either tantalum (ta-182) with a half life of about 115 days or zinc (zn-65) with a half life of about 244 days; long term use cobalt (co-60) with a half life of 5.26 years. The problem with these half life figures is that they are only valid in a lab. The isotopes in question will continue to poison the same material in an area (some au-197 will become the isotope au-198). The USA Spartan ABM W71 warhead uses gold (au-198) because of it’s *reletively* short life, but any au-197 in the area of detonation may be contaminated. also, as was proved during the UK tested a cobalt salted bomb at Maralinga here in Aus on 14-Sep-57 and we are still paying the price. It was discovered and reported years later that pretty much every human born since the tests has some trace amounts of cobalt-60 in their bones. USA also has some zinc salted warheads because it was discovered that as well as a relatively short half-life, zn-65 has a greater radiation *intensity* than co-60. So, whilst the USA can say almost truthfully that it doesn’t have any cobalt bombs in the USA, they do have zinc and gold which in some respects are even worse. 🙂

Some factual info can be found here (originally from FAS):

Cobalt Bombs and other Salted Bombs

I wouldn’t be at all surprised to discover that some gold or zinc salted weapons have found their way to Israel the past decade. 🙂

Sorry… Kinda OT again I guess. But relevant. 🙂

9 fallenmonk { 03.24.10 at 9:05 am }

An excellent question but I am still angry at losing good friends on the U.S.S. Liberty so I had better not answer.
.-= last blog ..So Much For One GOP Talking Point =-.

10 Bryan { 03.24.10 at 8:09 pm }

Oh, yeah, Badtux, we still warehouse ordnance in Israel, which is used as an excuse for moving more ordnance into the area when the UN declares a boycott – we aren’t really supplying the Israeli military with ammo, we are merely rotating stock stored in Israel. The Israelis draw on that “stored ammo” when they blow up the neighborhood.

I wouldn’t be at all surprised that Israel has US ordnance that is no longer available in the US inventory, nor that they have copied it in their own facilities. There is no oversight of any kind on Israeli nuclear facilities, hell, they won’t even admit they have them. They have the examples, so they can reverse engineer whatever they want.

Those of us who were in the community are the only ones who seem to remember the unprovoked attack on a clearly marked US military vessel in international waters, Fallenmonk. People don’t want to know that Israel has attacked a US vessel, while Iran hasn’t. Our foreign policy should be for our benefit.

11 Kryten42 { 03.24.10 at 11:57 pm }

We’ve discussed the Liberty *incident* previously here Bryan, so you know my information and my feelings on the matter. It pisses me off for two main reasons, a) The very fact that Israel did it to their biggest ally and the complete disregard for the innocent lives lost, amongst other things simply proves to me beyond any doubt that Israeli’s are not to be trusted one iota. The make the French, Russians and Chinese seem like ‘honest Abe’s’. I wouldn’t trust an Israeli to tell me if it was day or night. Remember, I worked the ME. When I write my *memoirs* when the ban lifts… you’ll see! 😈

The 2nd thing that truly pisses me off is the way that the great USA just bent over and allowed Israel to shaft them with a hot poker after the attack and allowed, and even helped them, get away with it! As the USA has done ever since the State of Israel came into existence. It’s highly amusing that the so-touted great *Christian* Nation of the USA will ignore and even spite Rome every chance it gets, but will sprawl face down in the dirt whenever the Jewish State of Israel glances their way! In truth, it’s confusing. I dunno sometimes who is worst, Israel or USA.

Bah!! Don’t even get me started!